Thread subject: Diptera.info :: thiny black

Posted by guenille on 05-11-2007 19:52
#1

In first time I named it phasia funesta but now I am sure it is not one.
But what it is ? good question :D can you say it ?
Thanks for your patience and gentiless
edith
Near paris, june 23th

Posted by crex on 05-11-2007 20:08
#2

Anal vein seems to reach wing margin ...

Posted by guenille on 05-11-2007 20:44
#3

Oh noooooooo don't say Anthomyiidae :(

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 05-11-2007 21:07
#4

Anal vein also reach wing margin in Scathophagidae.
I'm not sure, but what about Cordilura?

Posted by conopid on 05-11-2007 21:23
#5

I agree with Nikita. Last night I determined a Cordilura ciliata, which looks very much like the fly in the photo with silvery grey dusting on the face and the sides of the thorax. However the wings were yellow tinged, rather than dark as in this fly.

Edited by conopid on 05-11-2007 21:24

Posted by guenille on 06-11-2007 20:09
#6

I have found in the gallery cordilura picipes who has clear wings like mine.
May it be that ?

Posted by Kahis on 06-11-2007 20:15
#7

It doesn't really look like any scathophagid I know.

Posted by guenille on 07-11-2007 07:55
#8

hey Kahis, if it is not scathophagid, what else can it be ?

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-11-2007 15:10
#9

I showed image to Ozerov, - "not Scathophagidae"
I think we should ask Theo as next step :o

Posted by guenille on 16-11-2008 12:53
#10

Knowledge on this forum is every day better.
So, has somebody a new idea about this one ?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 16-11-2008 13:44
#11

Don't know the genus, but couls it be Delina of the Scathophagidae?

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 16-11-2008 13:53
#12

Paul, I don't think it may be Scathophagidae - calypteres are too large.
Some Muscidae look alike (Phaonia atriceps-group), but I don't think so as well.
My ideas are:
1. Vein A seems very long
2. Currently we have Michael Ackland among our members
So,
1. I'd change name on Anthomyiidae? and wait for Michael's reaction.
2. If Michael will reply "no", we can make one more "brain storm"
Nikita

Posted by Zeegers on 16-11-2008 16:43
#13

With this wing venation, it is definitely not in my department.
Sorry.
I'd say it is Anthomyiidae, but then again, what do I know of Anthomyiidae ?

Theo

Posted by Michael Ackland on 17-11-2008 14:23
#14

It could be Acyglossa atramentaria Meigen, which has these erect tergal setae. As the name Acyglossa indicates a long glossy proboscis, a photo of the head in profile would help to confirm this. I don't know if this is a male or female, as both have separated eyes, but I suspect it is a female. I only have 2 males in my collection, both caught in France (Dordogne) in 1980. The species does not occur in Britain. Hennig sugggests that it is a parasite of grasshoppers, as another species of Acyglossa (pollinoa Vill.) occurs in southen France and has been bred from them. A. atramentaria is related to Chirosia, and has a posteroventral apical seta on hind tibia (not visible in photo.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 17-11-2008 15:53
#15

So, this fly finally found it's expert!

Posted by guenille on 18-11-2008 10:00
#16

I have just an other picture. I think it is the same fly and also thinking this one is a female
Last year, I try to catch this fly.
Thanks you for this hard job :)

Edited by guenille on 18-11-2008 10:05