Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Coenosia ID -> C. agromyzina & C. rufipalpis

Posted by Carnifex on 09-05-2019 11:04
#1

Hi,
here are two of what I think are both Coenosia from a garden in Vienna. The first one I would ID as C. agromyzina. Is that ok?
static.inaturalist.org/photos/38364357/large.jpeg
static.inaturalist.org/photos/38399726/large.jpeg

Here is the second one. Can this one be IDed?

static.inaturalist.org/photos/38364373/large.jpeg
static.inaturalist.org/photos/38364384/large.jpeg

Sorry for posting two ID request in one thread. I can split it if recommended :)

Edited by Carnifex on 25-06-2019 22:42

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-05-2019 13:29
#2

I agree with agromyzina. 2nd male is C. testacea or related species

Posted by Carnifex on 09-05-2019 17:17
#3

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Nikita, may I ask how you got to testacea-group with just these two mediocre photos? General slender appearance and yellow legs? Because some of the features mentioned in the key are just not visible here.

I followed the key and reached in fact C. testacea:

incomplete posteroventrals on hind femur (correct?)
static.inaturalist.org/photos/38443511/large.jpeg

palpi yellow (barely visible, but seen well under microscope) and gena broader than 3rd ant. segment:
static.inaturalist.org/photos/38443525/large.jpg

--> C. testacea. Happy to receive confirmation or correction

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Edited by Carnifex on 09-05-2019 23:09

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 10-05-2019 10:29
#4

Gregor's at al. wording "incomplete/complete row of posteroventrals on hind femur" is very bad. There are very few pv on f3, not a row.
Use this one:
Hind femur with one or more well developed posteroventral setae on apical half... rufipalpis Meigen
- Hind femur with distinct posteroventrals on basal half only... testacea (Robineau-Desvoidy)

Posted by Carnifex on 10-05-2019 22:46
#5

Ok, I tried the new approach: There are ventral bristles in the apical half of the hind femur, if I see that correctly. Does this make it C. rufipalpis?

static.inaturalist.org/photos/38513454/large.jpeg

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 10-05-2019 22:58
#6

Lorin, I think that in early may rifipalpis is the main possibility, it is spring species indeed. I think you are right.

Posted by Carnifex on 10-05-2019 23:08
#7

Thanks again!