Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Eristalis arbustorum (with some doubts!)

Posted by valter on 06-10-2007 10:16
#1

Location: Faro, south of Portugal

Date Photo taken: October 5, 2007

Edited by valter on 27-10-2010 18:43

Posted by Kahis on 06-10-2007 10:20
#2

It is an Eristalis

Posted by valter on 06-10-2007 10:25
#3

Eristalis arbustorum ???

Edited by valter on 06-10-2007 11:29

Posted by Susan R Walter on 06-10-2007 15:57
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Or E abusivus? Need a clearer view of the aristae (long pale hairs in arbustorum, virtually bare in abusivus).

Posted by valter on 06-10-2007 16:48
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And Now?

Posted by Susan R Walter on 07-10-2007 00:00
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Still can't see the aristae well enough.

Posted by Gerard Pennards on 08-10-2007 22:47
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I think arbustorum! :D
Greetings

Posted by valter on 09-10-2007 00:23
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An Expert in Syrphidae said that is: Eristalis horticola, female

Posted by Gerard Pennards on 09-10-2007 13:49
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Well, I normally don't disagree with experts :D, but in this case I do!
I still think this is arbustorum or abusiva, because there is no dark marking in the wing (which horticola (nowadays called Eristalis lineata!) normally has, especially the female.
Furthermore the face doesn't seem to have a black stripe, which a female E. lineata has. If it would have had a black stripe, one could probably have seen part of it!
Third thing is that lineata would normally be more orange colored on the spots!
But still, we could all be wrong, if the specimen is different from the normal form, which sometimes occurs. If you would have a facial shot whether it has a black stripe or not, we would be certain!
greetings,

Posted by Paul Beuk on 09-10-2007 15:18
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Based on the spot-like pterostogma and the somewhat swollen hind metatarsi I would say E. nemorum (= [i]interrupta, sylvarum).

Posted by Andre on 09-10-2007 17:16
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It's Eristalis arbustorum, like Pennards suggested. The spots on the abdomen are too large for nemorum (= interrupta) and the stigma on the wing is 2-coloured... The face looks all haired too. It's a typical male arbustorum. Abusivus would have been nice (as a new species for P!), but it misses the characteristic metalic glance on the abdomen. It's defenitely not horticola (= lineata), for some obvious reasons ;)

Posted by Tony Irwin on 09-10-2007 21:14
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Andre wrote:
It's a typical male arbustorum.

not a typical female? ;)