Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tachinidae male (Bel) ?--> Cleonice callida male

Posted by Christine Devillers on 19-12-2018 23:16
#1

Hello,

An idea for this male with hairy eyes ?
Belgium, Sourbrodt, 2018-05-08.

Thanks
Christine

Edited by Christine Devillers on 21-12-2018 14:19

Posted by Christine Devillers on 19-12-2018 23:16
#2

pic 2

Posted by Christine Devillers on 19-12-2018 23:17
#3

pic 3

Posted by Christine Devillers on 19-12-2018 23:17
#4

pic 4

Posted by Zeegers on 20-12-2018 10:36
#5

This one puzzles me. First impression is Blepharomyia pagana, but the dark hiindmargins on tergites are lacking. These are lacking in B. angustifrons, which has a much narrower frons.....


Theo

Posted by Christine Devillers on 20-12-2018 13:38
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Thank you theo, I'd never seen Blepharomyia.

On this post https://diptera.i...pid=131087 the dark hindmargins are more or less visible according to the angle of view
(less visible on the photo 1 on dorsal vue than on photo 3 and 4).

Don't you think it could be the same on my pictures: little or not visible on photos 1 and 2 in dorsal view, and more visible on photos 3 and 4 (maybe because I've taken the photos with flash) ?

Christine

Posted by John Carr on 20-12-2018 14:10
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Zeegers wrote:
This one puzzles me. First impression is Blepharomyia pagana, but the dark hiindmargins on tergites are lacking. These are lacking in B. angustifrons, which has a much narrower frons.....

Theo


Are the scutellar bristles right for Blepharomyia? The more common arrangement in Dexiinae is 3 pairs with apicals long and crossed.

Posted by Zeegers on 20-12-2018 21:11
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I’m struggling to see the correct configuration of the scutellars. Somgood question.

Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 20-12-2018 21:15
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So, apical scutellar bristles are lacking ??

That would suggest Pelatachina tibialis.

Theo

Posted by John Carr on 20-12-2018 21:18
#10

I see four pairs of strong scutellars, all divergent. Also, T1+2 with hardly any excavation and possibly with median discals.

Posted by Christine Devillers on 21-12-2018 10:57
#11

Thanks Theo and John, and why not a male of Cleonice callida ?

It looks like this one https://diptera.i...d_id=85479 and I've seen some Chrysomela populi at the same place.

Christine

Posted by Zeegers on 21-12-2018 11:09
#12

This crossed my mind several times. and it makes total sense, if the crossed apical scutellars are really lacking ! I totally misjudged this, apparently, I thought I saw small crossed apicals.

Pretty rare species !

Theo

Posted by Christine Devillers on 21-12-2018 12:39
#13

Thanks Theo,

I don’t see crossed apical scutellars. Only strong apical divergent, and also strong sub-apical, lateral and basal scutellars.
Here are some crops of the scutellar bristles. Are the anotations correct ?

Christine

Posted by Zeegers on 21-12-2018 13:26
#14

Cleonice caloida it is !

Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 21-12-2018 13:26
#15

Cleonice callida it is Theo

Edited by Zeegers on 21-12-2018 13:27

Posted by Christine Devillers on 21-12-2018 14:21
#16

Thanks Theo

Christine