Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Pipiza noctiluca? --> Pipiza cf. austriaca

Posted by Reimund Ley on 01-12-2017 15:00
#1

ist the identifikation of this fly correct?
It was about 6-8mm, found in Germany, Marl, altitude 55m, 4. 9. 2017




greetings

Angelika/Reimund

Edited by Reimund Ley on 05-01-2018 21:11

Posted by Reimund Ley on 01-12-2017 15:01
#2

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Posted by Reimund Ley on 01-12-2017 15:03
#3

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Posted by Reimund Ley on 21-12-2017 20:38
#4

any ideas, please



greetings

Angelika/Reimund

Posted by Sundew on 01-01-2018 20:29
#5

The frons seems less inflated, so most probably a male Pipiza and not a Heringia. That does not help much, as the genus is regarded as one of the most intractable because of the high variability of the species. It MIGHT be P. austriaca IF there are ridges on the underside of the hind femora (impossible to see in the pics). So I do not dare to say more than Pipiza spec.
Happy New Year and best wishes, Sundew

Posted by Reimund Ley on 01-01-2018 20:39
#6

hello Sundew,

thanks for your answer,
if we meet this fly again we try to get fotos of the hind femora for a propper ID,
we called the fly Pipiza sp.

also a happy new year to Berlin


Angelika/Reimund

Posted by Robert Zoralski on 01-01-2018 20:41
#7

Pipiza austriaca most probably.

Posted by Reimund Ley on 02-01-2018 20:50
#8

hello Robert,

thanks a lot for your answer,
you mean we can call this fly Pipiza cf. austriaca?





greetings and a happy new year

Angelika/Reimund

Posted by Robert Zoralski on 05-01-2018 08:33
#9

Probably most of Pipiza's determined from pictures should have "cf." :D

And also 1/10 of determined directry from specimens... ;) That's a genus of extremely high intraspecific variability with also some characters overlapping between species and, as you could imagine, in consequence in a very bad condition taxonomically... :(

When seeing hundreds of Pipiza's every year, I have consistent feeling that current concept is worse than it was 100 years ago. Problem is complex. Not sure anyone can solve this puzzles nowadays on the Palearctic level due to specific of this genus.

R.

Edited by Robert Zoralski on 05-01-2018 08:34

Posted by Reimund Ley on 05-01-2018 21:10
#10

hello Robert,

thanks for your answer to indentify this fly,
we put this sweety with the name Pipiza cf. austriaca in our homepage.


best wishes


Angelika/Reimund