Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Dark winged Syrphid.

Posted by blowave on 16-08-2007 22:01
#1

I can't find anything like this one anywhere, so no clues from me other than it looks like a Syrphid fly. :|

It was on a Dahlia flower back where there were black aphids, but I had several diffferent insects lay eggs, predators etc. on the plant, including ants.

Lincoln UK

7th July 2007.

Any clues? :)

Might help if I add the pic!

Edited by blowave on 16-08-2007 22:02

Posted by Paul Beuk on 16-08-2007 22:14
#2

Another Pipiza.

Posted by blowave on 16-08-2007 22:17
#3

Thanks Paul, now off to search Pipiza again, should have recognised the likeness??:p

Posted by blowave on 16-08-2007 22:26
#4

How about Pipiza noctiluca?

http://aolsearch....e=imageTab

Posted by blowave on 16-08-2007 23:26
#5

Not P. noctiluca, that has two teardrop marks near the top of the abdomen.

Pipiza austriaca looks right. Agree?

http://www.syrphi...20w01.html

http://www.syrphi...20m01.html

http://www.syrphi...20m01.html

Posted by caliprobola on 17-08-2007 16:23
#6

Pipiza are extremely difficult to recognize, even with specimen.
maybe Pipiza lugubris, it's the most common species in W-Belgium and it has clear dark markings on the wings. but without seeing legs, antennae,... clearly...

Posted by blowave on 17-08-2007 17:01
#7

Thanks caliprobola, that is what I needed to know. It seems they are both present here.

http://www.dipter...t?id=11275

http://www.dipter...t?id=11283

This site has 4 pages of preferred and no-preferred names, sigh.

http://www.dipter...mit=Search


Posted by blowave on 17-08-2007 17:09
#8

Now I find that P. lugubris is the non-preferred name for P. austriaca

http://www.dipter...t?id=11276

That is encouraging! I can eliminate some, as I already have done, and see what is left. ;)

Posted by blowave on 17-08-2007 17:13
#9

Ah, but now I also find P. lugubris is a separate species also and is just a synonym for P. austriaca

http://www.dipter...t?id=11283 :(

Posted by caliprobola on 17-08-2007 18:06
#10

well, systematics in the genus Pipiza isn't very clear yet (not to say not clear at all...).
but as far as i know P. austriaca & P. lugubris are treated seperate in most determination keys (all dutch & belgian keys, including the recent Van Veen book) i have.