Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Cheilosia soror

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 30-08-2016 11:31
#1

Hello,

I know cheilosia are tricky and a lot of species, but I thought the antennae and certain coloured leags
could make this one easier. I thought this one looks like C. bergenstammi, could someone confirm od falsify?
I can put in more pictures, if needed.

(Found in August in Germany, North Rhine-Westphalia)

Edited by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 11:13

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 30-08-2016 11:31
#2

and the head

Posted by RobertZ on 30-08-2016 19:23
#3

Not with such a flat face. Check C. velutina

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 08:35
#4

I checked more closely - I took a wrong turn in Hoverfly key (Bothe) there (I went one step in the key to far), but got it right now.
but found a key for the proxima-group in the web -
It looks like it is a Cheilosia cf. velutina -
even found the area of black bristly-hairs on tergit 3!

Thank you for the help

Edited by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 08:58

Posted by Menno Reemer on 31-08-2016 09:16
#5

Very few characters are visible on the images, but I'm a little suspicious. Are the eyes hairy? They don't seem to be. If they are not, then check C. soror.

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 09:31
#6

The eyes are not hairy, I guess I was overhasty.
I will try the key again from the beginning, and check especially for C. soror.

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 09:55
#7

Thank you for your help, Robert and Menno.
The first few Tarsi should be yellow for C. soror, shouldn't they?
When I follow the key from Bothe (which does not include all Cheilosia, I know, but which key does?), I end up at " Cheilosia cynocephala, mutabilis, proxima, praecox, vernalis, velutina".
Some of those should be exkluded, because the fly has bare eyes, and on the other hand I am still not sure if those are all species, I should put in consideration.

Edited by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 09:55

Posted by Menno Reemer on 31-08-2016 10:25
#8

If the fly has bare eyes, then all species of the proxima-group (including C. velutina) can be excluded, and so can all other species you mention.
With bare eyes, partly yellow legs and such brightly orange antennae, C. soror is the only likely candidate in Germany.

Posted by Gerrit Oehm on 31-08-2016 10:45
#9

Thank you very much. I thought before, that C. soror was supposed to have a fully orange/yellow Tibia.
I would not have been able to reach the spieces, but I have found a mistake in the key I was using - one option was not linked correctly.