Thread subject: Diptera.info :: A Scenopinus species
Posted by lweit on 01-07-2016 18:06
#1
Hello
I found this little fly (5-6 mm) in NE of France (Distroff, 57925) the 30/06/2016
I think it's Scenopinus fenestralis. Male or female ?
Thank you
Louis
Edited by lweit on 01-07-2016 18:29
Posted by lweit on 01-07-2016 18:48
#2
A second photo
Posted by lweit on 06-07-2016 10:31
#3
Hello
Nobody to confirm this species ?
Thank you
Louis
Posted by Paul Beuk on 06-07-2016 11:57
#4
Kelsey's key (1969) is only moderately helpful als it provides a rather crude key to the species and that does not include several more recently described species. It is Obvious that the wings are not entirely hyaline but have some darkening on the anterior half and along the posterior margin. Does this lead one to 'wings hyaline' or to 'wings brown'? Anyway, some characters are not visible, but there is a median groove on the frons. This fits with
lesinensis (only known from Austria) but that should have the halter nob creamy below (that fits) and red-brown above (impossible to confirm from these images but it lookis as if there might be a darker part on it). Would you care to send the specimen?
Posted by lweit on 06-07-2016 16:45
#5
Hello Paul, thank you for your answer.
I can send you the specimen, but it had "suffered", only a part on one wing. Where, what address ?
I join a photo of the halter in dorsal view
Louis
Posted by Paul Beuk on 06-07-2016 20:12
#6
See the link in the left column:
Sending material and visiting. The new picture looks promising for
lesinensis...
Edited by Paul Beuk on 06-07-2016 20:13
Posted by lweit on 06-07-2016 21:11
#7
Ok Paul i send you thé spécimen.
Louis
Posted by lweit on 23-08-2016 17:42
#8
Hello Paul
no identification for these species (send in your lab during week 28) ?
Louis
Posted by Paul Beuk on 26-08-2016 11:20
#9
Sorry, work and holidays intervened. First examination also seems to be in favour of
lesinensis but I need to prepare the abdomen as it has become very flat. Hopefully today...
Posted by lweit on 14-09-2016 15:13
#10
Hello Paul
Does the microscope given a specific species ?
Louis
Posted by Paul Beuk on 16-09-2016 12:56
#11
Preparing
Scenopinus was something new to me but it turned out quite well. In Kelsey's it indeed results in
lesinensis . Now I need to rule out the species described by Carles-Tolrá. :)
Posted by lweit on 23-09-2016 17:02
#12
Thank you Paul
we wait |t
Louis
Edited by lweit on 23-09-2016 17:03
Posted by lweit on 21-10-2016 17:07
#13
Hello Paul
Can you confirm the species S. lesinensis after comparison with the species described by Carles-Tolrá.
Thank you
Louis
Posted by Paul Beuk on 25-10-2016 09:37
#14
LoL, I had not located Carles-Tolrá's publication yet as our library does not carry the journal. Can I simply find it online!
His species are both in a different species group so consider the identification confirmed. :)
Posted by lweit on 25-10-2016 19:35
#15
Hello Paul
Thank you for your confirmation, so finally Scenopinus lesinensis (a new species for France).
The publication is here :
http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf
Louis
Posted by Ectemnius on 12-11-2023 02:36
#16
Hi lweit,
The link: http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf is not working anymore and the website is very difficult to navigate. The 2016 pdf of the bulletin have nothing about Scenopinidae in them. Can you find the paper?
Kind regrads,
Elias