Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Eginia ocypterata, Brachycera, Hungary, May 2007
Posted by Xespok on 30-06-2007 07:14
#1
Anthomyiidae or Heleomyzidae???
Edited by Xespok on 11-01-2008 20:23
Posted by Xespok on 30-06-2007 07:15
#2
Because of bristly legs, I tend to go for Anthomyiidae. But than it should be rather distinctive.
Posted by Paul Beuk on 30-06-2007 07:56
#3
No Heleomyzidae. :)
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 30-06-2007 08:04
#4
My impression is rather Muscidae, Coenosinae than Anthomyiidae
Posted by Tony Irwin on 30-06-2007 15:25
#5
The jizz is not quite right for Coenosiinae, and the anal vein clearly goes all the way to the wing margin, so I'd go with Anthomyiidae.
The brown wing margin and general colouration may enable someone (not me! :() to put this in a genus at least... Kahis?
Posted by Kahis on 30-06-2007 16:15
#6
My vote goes to Anthomyiidae. Further than that, please do not ask? B)
Posted by Xespok on 30-06-2007 20:34
#7
Also if I see costa with developed spines, than it usually ends up being either a Heleomyzid or an Anthomyiid. Because the thoracic suture is not very visible, I did not dare to put this fly as an Anthomyiid.
Is the spinulose costa a good indicator of Anthomyiidae, or one should not use this character at all.
If I remember correctly I should have this specimen.
Thx to all of you for the help.
Edited by Xespok on 30-06-2007 20:35
Posted by Kahis on 30-06-2007 21:16
#8
Xespok wrote:
Also if I see costa with developed spines, than it usually ends up being either a Heleomyzid or an Anthomyiid. Because the thoracic suture is not very visible, I did not dare to put this fly as an Anthomyiid.
Is the spinulose costa a good indicator of Anthomyiidae, or one should not use this character at all.
It is not a good character for Anthomyiidae. If you look at the photographs of heleomyzids, you'll see that the costal spines in that family have a different character: they are widely spaced and of equal length.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 27-07-2007 22:26
#9
It seems that you are right, Gabor. At least everything I can see on your images fits OK with specimen I have.
If I remember correctly I should have this specimen
Please, check the group of 3-6 rather strong bristles in marked area just under posterior spiracle!
Nikita
Posted by Xespok on 07-01-2008 16:17
#10
I received Michael Auckland s opinion in thid fly. He thinks this is unlikely an Anthomyiid.
He thinks this is a Coenosiine Muscid. Maybe around C. tricolor?
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-01-2008 17:27
#11
I think it is Eginia ocypterata
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 08-01-2008 00:21
#12
You're doubting Gabor ? Look at Black's pictures and look at your fly !
And the sole Coenosia with costa ending at R4+5 apex is C. agromyzina which is quite different. ;)
Posted by Xespok on 11-01-2008 20:11
#13
OK, I am convinced now. THx for everyone!