Thread subject: Diptera.info :: New Paraphamartania sp. nov. from Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 18-08-2014 12:13
#1
Lithoeciscus heydenii
<b>Asilidae</b>. Lithoeciscus heydenii
2014.VIII.17 - Póvoa Dão - Silgueiros - Viseu - PORTUGAL
fits apparently very well the specimen in Museum of Madrid...
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 21-09-2014 17:50
Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 19-08-2014 00:28
#2
Jorge, the picture is beautiful!! :) But honestly, somebody with good knowledge of German should check the description of
Lithoeciscus heydenii carefully. This beauty really looks very similar and the specimen of
L. heydenii in the museum fits better than anything else with your specimen. But I doubt that is enough to ID the specimen openly like this ;) ;)
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 03-09-2014 20:55
#3
A front head view:
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 15-09-2014 00:33
#4
This one still needs confirmation.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 00:47
#6
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Posted by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 02:13
#7
I understand you want an answer. My problem with this creature is that it in no way looks like a
Cyrtopogon. When you read the text of Loew it says that the legs should be entirely black and also the beard should be black with some white bristles. Engel describes
heydeni castellanus and that has a white beard and only the base of the tibiae is red.
The legs of your creature are too red and the overall appearance looks like no
Cyrtopogon. Both Engel and Loew refer to that by mentioning that it should look much like a female
Cyrtopogon lateralis: http://www.robberflies.info/keyger/htmle/cyrlat.html
It seems you have collected the creature and maybe pictures of wings, abdomen both dorsal as ventral would help.
I think it is yet a different genus but do not know which. : (
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 02:15
Posted by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 12:51
#8
Could you also add a close-up of the front tibiae and look for a tiny spur at the top? I think i see one on the top-photo. Maybe this is a Paraphamartania species!
Posted by jonas on 16-09-2014 14:06
#9
I have some serious doubts on ID of this one too.
As told Jorge before, I dare not say more without the extra photos (tibia 1 to start with, but antennae could be helpfull too).
A+
Jonas
Posted by jonas on 16-09-2014 14:08
#10
and the wing venation while you are busy :-)
cheers
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 14:21
#11
I never was really very convinced from this ID, that's why I remarked with an interrogation point!
This weekend I'll go to Marvão.
Then I'll take some more photos from the requested parts.
Indeed I found this fly in some way (and disturbing.... in some similarities with another fly I saw in Marvão which is not Paraphamartania...) odd...
Check this photo!
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 14:44
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 20:57
#12
Quaedfliegh wrote:
Could you also add a close-up of the front tibiae and look for a tiny spur at the top? I think i see one on the top-photo. Maybe this is a Paraphamartania species!
And you are right!!!!! A bristle in femur 1... check this photo :
and more interesting ... the wings are infuscated in almost all transversal veins.. like P. marvaoensis!??!?!
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:31
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:00
#13
to add more mistery...
I am not sure if P. marvaoensis has reddish tergites like this one (i recall that it has black and some white patterned patches. )
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:05
#14
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Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:14
#15
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this giving so much itching because it really resembles in some features of P. marvaoensis except for some (several! :D ) details... look at the venation!
What is surprising is the fact that I can found this asilid from 10 am to 19 pm (even with strong heat as well, comapring with the P. marvaoensis who prefers to appear in final afternoon..)
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:41
Posted by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 21:28
#16
Little comment... you placed a picture with the top the front femur, please also add picture with top of front tibia.
There are a lot of differences with P. marvaoensis and also with P. stukei. Besides article by Jonas you can have look here too: http://www.geller-grimm.de/parapha.htm#parapha
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:32
#17
I have his article. :)
yes, I mistaked. Let's see if I have that photo... I doubt..
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:38
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 21:37
#18
check it now.
Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 16-09-2014 22:03
#19
Silly me, I was thinking Reinoud was refering to this spur pointed with the arrow. Something more similar to a Dasypogoninae spur :( :(
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 16-09-2014 22:05
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 22:11
#20
he referred in TOP. :) See the conspicuous bristle-spur like above that spur?
So now I am convinced more with a possible new species of Paraphamartania. Now we need to solve the another misterious asilid from Marvão I showed in the #11 post in this thread:
http://www.dipter...ost_268832
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 23:48
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 22:17
#21
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Posted by Quaedfliegh on 17-09-2014 00:12
#22
With "top" i did not mean dorsal but apical. "The top tibia like-spur" is a bristle. "typical spur in the ventral apical tibia" is thee spur i mean!
This specimen differs considerably from both other known species. I would appreciate Jonas opinion very much on this matter. It might be a new species.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-09-2014 00:58
#23
Ok, so you should tell apical because Top is indicative of dorsal:).
Yes, we have a spur in apical position, so might be a new species of Paraphamartania?
Posted by jonas on 17-09-2014 09:20
#24
Interesting,
Difficult to interpret from pictures only...
But I tend to agree with Paraphamartania (and if so, an undescribed species) but I have some doubts.. To name one: the lack of dorsocentral and scutellar bristles is striking (note that females of P. stukei lack scutellar bristles, but have distinctive DC).
For this I am curious - Jorge, how many did you collect? :-)
The typical genital structure in both male and female are very distinctive and can be assessed in hand.
I will meet Reinoud again pretty soon so it might be interesting to see this specimen in hand/detail? At moment I still have to return the types of P. syriaca and marvaoensis (shame on me).
A+
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-09-2014 09:47
#25
Sixty specimens or so . This is so common that in the last weekend I collected nearly 20....
I have some photos that shows maideny the genitalia... looks like acantophorites...
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 17-09-2014 09:48
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-09-2014 23:54
#26
genitalia (partial)