Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Coenosia sp.?

Posted by Steve Nanz on 13-02-2012 13:09
#1

Photo taken 6/29/2008 in Brooklyn, NY, USA. I'm wondering if this is a Coenosia sp. specifically C. humilis. Found a similar image at BugGuide here but not sure if it's identified correctly. Thanks in advance.

Edited by Steve Nanz on 14-02-2012 11:28

Posted by Paul Beuk on 13-02-2012 13:10
#2

Please, have another try at the attachment...

Posted by Steve Nanz on 14-02-2012 11:34
#3

Done. Sorry about that. Not sure but it looked like previewing undid the file selection.

Posted by Stephen R on 14-02-2012 19:02
#4

Yes Coenosia, but not C. humilis (which has a close-set pair of setae (av and ad) on the hind tibia, and mainly dark femora). I can't put a name to yours - it's a difficult genus which generally requires a specimen, and I'm no expert. Good luck!

Edited by Stephen R on 14-02-2012 19:11

Posted by John Carr on 14-02-2012 20:51
#5

Near Neodexiopsis ovata??

Posted by Steve Nanz on 15-02-2012 12:19
#6

Thank you both.

John, I submitted this at BG here. Not sure if you think it should be placed in Neodexiopsis so I put it under Coenosiinae for now.

Posted by Stephen R on 15-02-2012 13:41
#7

I should have known not to mess with the New World! How do you separate Neodexiopsis from Coenosia?

Posted by John Carr on 15-02-2012 14:22
#8

I don't know whether they are considered separate genera or subgenera these days. I consulted Huckett's revision from 1934. He says the typical appearance of Neodexiopsis has stripes on the thorax and spots on the abdomen, the latter similar to Ceonosia s. str. I'm not convinced either way by the bristles I see. A view of the hind leg from behind might clarify matters. A revision of the ovata group describes ovata as having darker antennae; this could be a relative.

Posted by Stephen R on 15-02-2012 14:37
#9

Thanks John!

Posted by John Carr on 04-03-2012 04:02
#10

Manual of Central American Diptera considers them separate genera. They diverge in the key where you count bristles on the hind femur. Neodexiopsis has three preapical bristles on top (anterodorsal to posterior range). Coenosia has two.

Edited by John Carr on 04-03-2012 04:03