Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Muscid or Anthomyiid?

Posted by bradbarnd on 12-01-2012 18:26
#1

Further ID possible?

Posting for Tom Murray
Massachusetts, USA
April 22, 2011
7.5mm BL

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Edited by bradbarnd on 15-01-2012 23:50

Posted by javanerkelens on 13-01-2012 14:12
#2

A very confusing fly!
Mayby i overlook something and will say afterwards…of course that is the one, but for now it is only a mystery.
The notopleuron depression is haired, wings are infuscated, arista bare, on hind tibia only 2ad+2pd, eyes seems bare, scutellum hairy but with some bare areas.
Does the analvein reach indeed the costa…?
And are there 3 or 4 dorsal centrals…?
Is it indeed Anthomyiidae or Muscidae…?
I know some Anthomyiidae with the wings infuscated, but then they should have arista long haired or notopleuron depression bare.
There are some Muscidae with more pd on t3, but then the other characters just don’t fit.
For both, nothing seems to fit.
So if possible….can you make a crop of the head, thorax and the wing (analvein area).
Maybe you also have other photo’s…
(maybe Stephen, Ackland or Stephane, Nikita can give some solution..)

Edited by javanerkelens on 13-01-2012 14:13

Posted by bradbarnd on 14-01-2012 19:56
#3

Thanks. We don't have any other photos, but I'll add crops of these that may help.

Posted by bradbarnd on 14-01-2012 19:57
#4

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Posted by javanerkelens on 14-01-2012 22:56
#5

If I see it right, the analvein does not reach the costa.
Only the shadow of a folt in the wing.....
Then it has to be Muscidae
I will look into it, but maybe Stephane will give it a look also!

Posted by Stephen R on 14-01-2012 23:31
#6

I was completely lost with this one. The calypter looks very small...

Posted by oxycera on 15-01-2012 09:04
#7

Those hind tibial bristles remind me of Fannia.

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 15-01-2012 12:32
#8

There are more criteria speaking for Anthomyiidae than Muscidae : bare arista, small calypters, 2 pd on t3, anal vein seems very long (could reach wing margin as a fold), 3 post dc, prst acr. etc.
The wing venation is wrong for Fanniidae.

Posted by javanerkelens on 15-01-2012 22:59
#9

Assuming that it is indeed Anthomyiidae, I think it belongs to Pegomyini.
Looking into the Nearctic Pegomya (Griffiths)(including; Parapegomyia, Emmesomyia) I could not find species with the crossveins infuscated.
Looking at some old material I only could find Pegomya chrysida(Huckett) with the crossveins clouded and second antennal segment yellow (found in California), but no further description was given about this species.
So i think i have to pass on this one….
Maybe collecting some species ?

Posted by bradbarnd on 15-01-2012 23:47
#10

Thanks for all the comments. It is definitely tough to place. Tom has some additional views of this fly, maybe they will help, maybe not... They are at least clearer and sharper than the crops I already added.

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Edited by bradbarnd on 15-01-2012 23:48

Posted by Stephen R on 16-01-2012 11:22
#11

Now we can see 3 pds on the right hind tibia! That changes things a bit :)

Posted by Stephen R on 16-01-2012 17:08
#12

Because of the pre-alar and long legs I was thinking around Eutrichota and came up with this old posting http://www.dipter...d_id=12332 from Tony T in Canada.

I don't know what it turned out to be, but several features look similar to this one (e.g. antennae), and there is a suspicion of darkening of the crossveins.

Edited by Stephen R on 16-01-2012 17:34

Posted by javanerkelens on 16-01-2012 18:29
#13

Well done Stephen, luckely we have some people with a good memory :D
I miss the av on the hind and midtibia on this fly, but probable broken...

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Posted by bradbarnd on 16-01-2012 20:20
#14

Thanks Stephen, that does look quite similar.

Posted by Stephen R on 17-01-2012 11:55
#15

javanerkelens wrote:
luckely we have some people with a good memory :D


If only... :D. But it's a good instance of the benefits of having a searchable archive. Thanks Paul!

Posted by John Carr on 05-01-2013 03:49
#16

Probably Eutrichota cylindrica (Stein). The fine hairs on the sides of the thorax and the long discal hairs on scutellum put it in Griffiths's E. cylindrica superspecies (= Eremomyiodes). Of the two species that are common in Massachusetts, E. cylindrica has reddish tibiae and is the more common.

Posted by Michael Ackland on 05-01-2013 10:31
#17

It is a species of Eutrichota belonging to the cylindrica Stein species group which has 6 species in the Nearctic Region. E. cylindrica is the most abundant species, and has been associated with ground hog (Marmota) burrows, in which the larvae probably live. A specimen is needed to ID to species I think

John Carr beat me to it! I was typing this as his posting appeared!