Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Phaonia trimaculata. Confirmed.
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 18:25
#1
Coastal area in southern Spain
Photograph taken on October, 27, 2011, in the wetlands of the Suárez Pond, in Motril, Granada, Spain.
Immediate area of the Mediterranean coast.
Approximate size, no antennae or tails 8 mm
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I add this detail from another photo taken at the same fly, which shows two of the legs.
I would appreciate your help identifying this dipterous
Best Regards
Edited by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 22:58
Posted by Sara21392 on 29-10-2011 18:54
#2
Looks like Anthomyiidae! :)
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 19:24
#3
Sara21392 wrote:
Looks like Anthomyiidae! :)
I appreciate your help, Sara.
I tried to find similarities with antomidae uploaded to the Gallery, but I failed to find any similar enough.
Edit the title with your proposal to try to advance identification.
A warm greeting.
Posted by Roger Thomason on 29-10-2011 20:12
#4
Looks like a Muscidae
Phaonia
Similar to;
http://www.dipter...to_id=7788
Don't know if it is the same one though. :|
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 21:17
#5
Many thanks for your information, Roger.
In my ignorance, I guess I agree in gender with the photo Phaonia mentioned link.
But, although I admit my ignorance on the subject, I suppose it is a different species. At least, I see very different drawings of the back.
Do you think I can be wrong and be the same species.?
In any case, comparing the drawings of the back, it would be more similar to the Graphomya minor this another link:
http://www.dipter...to_id=3409
Regards
Edited by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 21:37
Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 29-10-2011 21:53
#6
Pepe ;) it is
Muscidae for sure. And I would say that you nailed the genus: Graphomya.
I would say it is a female
Graphomya maculata, which is a very common fly in Spain (and lovely too ;) ) But there is a chance it is the much, much more scarce
Graphomya minor. To confirm the species, it is necessary to see the bristles on the tibia. If you have a lateral view showing the 'hairs' on the legs well, it would be fantastic :)
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 22:05
#7
Piluca_Alvarez wrote:
Pepe ;) it is Muscidae for sure. And I would say that you nailed the genus: Graphomya.
I would say it is a female Graphomya maculata, which is a very common fly in Spain (and lovely too ;) ) But there is a chance it is the much, much more scarce Graphomya minor. To confirm the species, it is necessary to see the bristles on the tibia. If you have a lateral view showing the 'hairs' on the legs well, it would be fantastic :)
I am glad to meet again, Piluca. And grateful for the information pointed to me.
I think I took another picture. I will review them and see if you can see the detail of the hairs on the legs to show me. If I find, then go up.
Kind regards
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 22:30
#8
I've added a detail of the legs that can be seen in another photo from the same fly, although it is a dorsal view.
In the legs that are observed, some sows are appreciated, but not if you are the hairs that could identify Graphomya minor.
regards
Posted by Roger Thomason on 29-10-2011 22:37
#9
I'm no expert but the acrostichal setae don't match your suggested Graphomya and neither does the wing venation.
I still think it is some Phaonia....:)
Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 29-10-2011 22:38
#10
Hi again, Pepe! ;)
Well, that picture shows well the median tibia and I cannot see a trace of an anterodorsal bristle. That means that it is indeed
Graphomya maculata.
All is fine if I am not mistaken and it is a
Graphomya species. Better wait for Stephane or Nikita to confirm :) I am far, far away from being an expert on this ;)
Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 29-10-2011 22:43
#11
OMG!! Missed Roger's post and he is right. Venation doesn't match the one of
Graphomya :o :o :S Funny that I am obsessed with venations and forgot to check that this time :S
If it is
Phaonia, there is little I can do then :( They are too difficult for me :(
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 29-10-2011 22:45
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 29-10-2011 22:52
#12
1 point for Roger, this is
Phaonia trimaculata. ;)
Posted by Roger Thomason on 29-10-2011 22:59
#13
Thanks Stephane...your cheque is in the post ;)
Posted by Larry Shone on 29-10-2011 23:01
#14
Lovely fly, and photo!
Posted by Maherjos on 29-10-2011 23:06
#15
Roger Thomason, Piluca_Alvarez, Stephane Lebrun:
I acknowledge my ignorance once again to identify insects to photograph, and especially Diptera. So always appreciate the views and helps you to experts, you have the generosity to give me, and it is very instructive for my, little debate that this identification has been raised.
A cordial and grateful greeting for your interest and help.