Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Muscidae: Helina pertusa
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 00:45
#1
c. 8mm, Clitheroe UK, 22 May 2011.
From this and other images I arrived at
Helina pertusa. Does this look right? Should I bring more pictures? (No specimen.)
Edited by Stephen R on 29-05-2011 22:40
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 27-05-2011 18:15
#2
It could be. How many katepisternal, how long is the pre-alar ? I only catch
Helina lasiophthalma at the moment which could also be.
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 19:42
#3
This gives the best view of these features. I think katepisternals are 2+2, and the pre-alar looks weak.
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 27-05-2011 20:14
#4
Seems consistent with
H. pertusa, but the best way to get a certitude is to catch a specimen.
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 22:10
#5
I'll see what I can do. :) Other things which seemed to confirm
H. pertusa were the the single ad on t3 and the strongly infuscated crossveins. I can't find any sign of eye hairs. and the arista is very short-haired:
Edited by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 22:12
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 23:01
#6
Incidentally, when the keys speak of 'katepisternals 1 + 2', does the first number always refer to the anterior position, or the opposite, or is there no convention?
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 27-05-2011 23:06
#7
Stephen R wrote:
Incidentally, when the keys speak of 'katepisternals 1 + 2', does the first number always refer to the anterior position?
Yes, one anterior and two posterior.
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 23:37
#8
Thanks. This is the view from the other side - again 2 anterior setae, the lower one weaker.
Posted by Stephen R on 27-05-2011 23:54
#9
and this is the 'money shot' for the pre-alar!
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 28-05-2011 11:18
#10
The pra is not so weak, and the arista seems almost bare. That trouble me. Catch one if you have the opportunity.
Posted by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 11:23
#11
I'll go out and look now!
Posted by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 13:25
#12
Well, I got one, and it's a male with bare eyes - I only had to search 20 damp mossy tree trunks B). Photos to follow.
(I also got a
Phaonia pallida male and a
Sciapus platypterus - not a bad habitat to look at on a dull day.)
Here's the male specimen. It does key out as
H. pertusa.
Edited by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 19:17
Posted by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 19:11
#13
Four rows of pre ac.
Edited by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 19:16
Posted by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 19:12
#14
3
Posted by Stephen R on 28-05-2011 19:14
#15
4
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 29-05-2011 21:11
#16
Great. The dense hairiness beneath the hind femur seems here too...
Posted by Stephen R on 29-05-2011 22:39
#17
Yes, it's very clear on the specimen. Many thanks for your patience and rigour! Would you like the specimen?