Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Melangyna barbifrons? (Melangyna lucifera)

Posted by Mucha Fero on 30-03-2011 18:46
#1

Melangyna barbifrons is the correct name? Thank you very much.
Slovak Republik, Terchová region on the Malá Fatra 29.03.2011.

images.graphic4life.net/images/jgo6f0y6lx2yveqe4tf.jpg

Edited by Mucha Fero on 31-03-2011 02:28

Posted by Menno Reemer on 30-03-2011 19:33
#2

In males M. barbifrons the eyes are bare: in this specimen they are distinctly hairy.
This is M. lucifera: small yellow spots on tergite 2.

Posted by Lukasz Mielczarek on 30-03-2011 21:27
#3

This is not M. lucifera!

Posted by Mucha Fero on 31-03-2011 02:29
#4

Menno Reemer wrote:
In males M. barbifrons the eyes are bare: in this specimen they are distinctly hairy.
This is M. lucifera: small yellow spots on tergite 2.


Thank you very much.

Posted by Menno Reemer on 31-03-2011 07:52
#5

I'm starting to have doubts now. There seem to be small yellow spots on tergite 2, which would indicate M. lucifera. The spots, however, are very small. Compare, for instance, the picture of this species in this thread:
http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=37003
The pterostigma seems to be too dark for M. lucifera and the markings on tergites 3 and 4 are not of the right shape.
So, M. quadrimaculata seems more likely.
Perhaps this is what Mr. Mielczarek was (unsuccessfully) trying to make clear by shouting "This is not M. lucifera!"?

Edited by Menno Reemer on 31-03-2011 07:54

Posted by Lukasz Mielczarek on 31-03-2011 08:45
#6

The situation of the early spring Melangyna is more complicated!
It is certainly not M. quadrimaculata, but it strongly resemble males of this species. The spots on the second tergit in parts of specimens are clearly visible, in some disappear completely.
Females have clear spots on the abdomen.
Species closely resembles me M. pavlovskyi in this gallery:
http://homepage2....rphin3.htm
http://homepage2....v_F600.jpg
http://homepage2....v_M600.jpg
and an example of my specimens of this Melangyna sp. in the attachments.

Lukasz

Posted by Lukasz Mielczarek on 31-03-2011 08:46
#7

...head

Posted by Lukasz Mielczarek on 31-03-2011 08:47
#8

..female

Posted by Menno Reemer on 31-03-2011 09:39
#9

Interesting! I had not taken into account the possible occurrence of this Eastern Palaearctic species in Slovakia!
Are your pictures of Polish specimens? Apparently you are right about the situation in Europe being more complicated. I was not aware of that. Is someone working on the taxonomy of this group?

Posted by Mucha Fero on 31-03-2011 17:48
#10

Menno Reemer wrote:
Interesting! I had not taken into account the possible occurrence of this Eastern Palaearctic species in Slovakia!
Are your pictures of Polish specimens? Apparently you are right about the situation in Europe being more complicated. I was not aware of that. Is someone working on the taxonomy of this group?


Photos I made ​​in the Malá Fatra region-Terchová. Photos of the Slovak specimen. Thank you very much.

Posted by Zeegers on 04-04-2011 13:42
#11

Another question on Melangyna.

I have caught a female M. quadrimaculata with a very yellow scutellum. That is not normal, is it now ?

Any suggestions ?

(Intersex is so far the best I've got, unless this is a species complex too !)


Thanks


Theo

Posted by Andre on 05-04-2011 11:29
#12

Maybe you found a Parasyrphus punctulatus? There are keys to separate these cases of melanism, as you know :)

Posted by Zeegers on 05-04-2011 13:15
#13

Hi Andre

Don't worry, I'm not that 'bleu'.
As it turns out, most M. quadrimaculata have at least partly yellowish scutellum (W. van Steenis).
So, the books are wrong on this.

Theo

Posted by Lukasz Mielczarek on 08-04-2011 19:03
#14

Menno Reemer wrote:

Are your pictures of Polish specimens? Apparently you are right about the situation in Europe being more complicated. I was not aware of that. Is someone working on the taxonomy of this group?


In the pictures are the Polish specimens. I'll try to write some review of Melangyna in Poland in the near future.



Zeegers wrote:

Another question on Melangyna.

I have caught a female M. quadrimaculata with a very yellow scutellum. That is not normal, is it now ?

Any suggestions ?

(Intersex is so far the best I've got, unless this is a species complex too !)


Thanks


Theo



Can you post image of the specimen?


Lukasz