Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Heleomyzidae - Andrzej, help please!
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 19:35
#1
Dear friends, I foud this fly today in Hungary in a beech forest. Its size was 6mm long, unfortunately I have no dorsal view, after this photo it lew away.
Which genus it could be?
Thank you,
Nikola Rahmé
Edited by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 20:11
Posted by Stephen R on 25-09-2010 19:41
#2
Heleomyzidae
Edited by Stephen R on 25-09-2010 19:42
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 19:54
#3
Thank you Stephen! I found here on the gallery Schroederella is similar... but I do not know.
Nikola
Posted by Stephen R on 25-09-2010 20:05
#4
I was thinking more of Suillia. If you edit the title line to 'Heleomyzidae', Andrzej will tell you what it is.
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:10
#5
Certainly no Suillia, since it has a propleural bristle
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:11
#6
And also no Sciomyzidae, Nikola, since it has a vibrissa
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:13
#7
And no Schroederella, because the fly on the photo has just 1 sternopleural bristle
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:16
#8
A pity that you have no dorsal picture. I think it has no prescutelar bristles, so it can be an eccoptomera. Let wait for Andrzej
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 25-09-2010 20:22
#9
I'd say
Eccoptomera.
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 20:26
#10
Thank you folks, I saw it on faunaeur.org, there is 19 species of
Eccoptomera,
longiseta does live in Hungary too. Next time i'll collect it ;)
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:34
#11
There are 6 species from Hungary known, as far as I know. I am not really sure which species, but I can imagine it is E. pallescens. But again,Andrzej will know and if he is not sure, we certainly will never know ;-)
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:37
#12
Forgot to say, Nikola, it is a great photo. I love it.
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 20:40
#13
Thank you Ruud, and all of you. Genus is more than enough for me!
Nikola
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 20:54
#14
OMG,Nikola, when you go for place No.2 you will never arrive at No.1! ;-)
Posted by Andrzej on 25-09-2010 21:22
#15
Eccoptomera longiseta :-)
Andrzej
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 21:24
#16
Andrzej, THANK YOU! :)
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 21:29
#17
And you let it fly away, Nikola. I do not have longiseta in my collection. Ur istenem ;-)
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 21:34
#18
Ruud, I'll go back for that specimen, I promise! ;)
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 21:39
#19
sure, and you won't be back on diptera.info before you collected the specimen for me. You see my kindness...I do not even insist on a couple :D
Posted by Andrzej on 25-09-2010 21:47
#20
the specimen is not important ! the pic is enough to see the characters.
It is the only one European species with such body colouration ;)
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 21:54
#21
Okay, friends, I tell you the truth, I am not telling you strong stories. I swear, you may kick me out of diptera.info if you find out I am cheating the whole bunch of dipterist.
I am working on a small box of "old material' from Hungary and Croatie. 99% is Lauxaniidae. The third fly, which I picked out of the box after the little conversation about Eccoptomera and I believed again to be a Sapromyza or something similar, was E. longiseta male. As I said to you, Nikola, I do not have the species in my collection. And now I have! It is a miracle!
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 21:56
#22
It was collected on 23 june 2003 in the Matra, Hungary
Posted by eurythyrea on 25-09-2010 22:02
#23
Congrats Ruud! So I do not have to go back tomorrow :-) Anyway it began raining :( here in Budapest.
Posted by rvanderweele on 25-09-2010 22:04
#24
From the same day and location I found in the little box now also an Eccoptomera obscura male. But this is not new to me. I collected in also in Budapest