Posted by cyprinoid on 26-07-2010 23:04
#1
Edited for clarity: I found these in a forest, they did not seem like normal C. vicina in behaviour. I collected the male.
And looking at it I does not look like the vicinas I have seen before... coulour of spiracle and tegula
Edited by cyprinoid on 27-09-2010 08:19
Posted by Sundew on 26-07-2010 23:27
#2
This fly looks a bit intermediate (are there any hybrids? Probably not...) See discussion under
http://www.dipter...;pid=53528. As to the brown face and the brown spiracle, I would tend to
C. vicina.
Posted by cyprinoid on 27-07-2010 07:21
#3
Edited for clarity: top pic is the fly in question, the bottom is a common vicina from the garden.
Thanks Sundew
Edited by cyprinoid on 28-07-2010 21:30
Posted by Zeegers on 27-07-2010 14:48
#4
??
Pale spiracle is one of the features of vicina. Inother species, these are dark (as a rule).
Moreover, the beard is not red, that is the chitine behind it on the gena.
I have no problem with calling this vicina.
Theo
Posted by cyprinoid on 27-07-2010 19:11
#5
So you are sayng I walked for two hours and came home with one fly, Calliphora vicina?! :D
Thank you both for helping out.
Edited by cyprinoid on 28-07-2010 21:52
Posted by cyprinoid on 28-07-2010 21:52
#7
About the term
pale, I do not have the litterature so I am not sure what is ment by pale there,
in common conversation I would however say that the orange coulour of spiracle in the fly at the bottom in
post #3 is less pale (or more vibrant) than in the fly on top. If not anything else, definitely a different colour.
I do agree that is not dark though, quite the opposite and maybe that is your point? Pale / 'Not dark' spiracle equals C. vicina.
I want to quote Paul from an earlier thread (
http://www.dipter...d_id=26378) as I do not have Rognes' key myself:
"According to Rognes' key (or rather his description of uralensis), the anterior spiracle of uralensis sometimes IS pale."
Attached is a pic of the tegula. Thank you for reminding me Stephane.
The weather turned and I could not find a common C. vicina to make good comparisons-pics this afternoon.
I do not have one pinned :D But clearly, it is not orange like with the common vicinas
I am pretty confident it is not the common C. vicina I am used to seeing, another form, if not a different species.
PS: I have edited my posts for clarity, I thought that I had nailed it and found one of "the others"
and everyone would agree, a mistake made from being in a hurry I guess, I apologize to sundew and Zeegers
if any replies to my initial posts semms to be out of context.
Edited by cyprinoid on 29-07-2010 20:49