Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Hemyda?
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 12:25
#1
26.08.2006, two specimens were collected on leaves of
Urtica dioica, others were seen on flowers of
Solidago canadensis.
Size 8mm.
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 12:26
#2
Another view.
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 12:27
#3
The head.
Posted by Zeegers on 27-08-2006 13:19
#4
Right.
It is Hemyda obscuripennis.
Theo Zeegers
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 19:40
#5
Many thanks Theo.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 27-08-2006 19:48
#6
Awesome head! What a shot!
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 27-08-2006 20:30
#7
2 jorgemotalmeida: thanks a lot - I also like how it looks like - pretty bare when compared with most of other Tachinidae - I'd say the fly has rather funny habits, somewhat spider-like, running around on leaves and changing its position.
Posted by Tony Irwin on 27-08-2006 21:04
#8
It's an intriguing thought that this might be a spider mimic, and your pictures certainly give this impression. But I wonder whether being a spider mimic would offer any advantage to the fly? Most birds readily eat spiders, so there's no advantage there. Something to ponder on ...
Posted by ChrisR on 27-08-2006 23:07
#9
I saw
H.vitata about a month ago and I was surprised by it's strange behaviour. Scurrying around on leaves, like a lot of tachinids, but in a very drunken way - very odd. I am not sure it was like a spider though - the colouration is similar to flies like
Xylota segnis or ichneumons.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 27-08-2006 23:18
#10
Tony Irwin wrote:
It's an intriguing thought that this might be a spider mimic, and your pictures certainly give this impression. But I wonder whether being a spider mimic would offer any advantage to the fly? Most birds readily eat spiders, so there's no advantage there. Something to ponder on ...
Really the legs of this tachinid resembles to me a very strong appearance with spiders! And the odd locomotion is intriguing! Perhaps it likes vodka. :)
Are there anymore tachinid that shows this behaviour? Where can I find easily this tachinid? I am very interesting to see that so peculiar movement! :) Thank you!
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 28-08-2006 08:38
#11
Well spiders was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw that fly with its crooked legs, maybe I was wrong about it. Since I saw at least half a dozen of specimens in one day, both on leaves and on flowers, I guess it is rather common (in right time at right location).
Posted by ChrisR on 28-08-2006 11:36
#12
Hemyda vitata is quite rare in England - and restricted to areas of old/ancient woodland. Not sure about
H.obscuripennis in Europe though - but I am guessing it is commoner because phasiines tend to like warmer climates :)
Posted by Zeegers on 28-08-2006 18:21
#13
Are these from Moscow ?
According to www.faunaeur.org, Moscow is far north of the 'known' distribution.
Theo
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 28-08-2006 19:50
#14
Yes they are Theo (Naro-Fominsk, ca. 70km SW of Moscow)
Posted by Zeegers on 28-08-2006 22:18
#15
Well, that is surprisingly north.
Thanks
Theo
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 29-08-2006 20:14
#16
Another visual evidence: today I've seen one more specimen on the underside of
Tilia cordata leaf at the edge of a pine forest (less than 1km away from the previous location).
Posted by Zeegers on 29-08-2006 21:50
#17
don't get me wrong:
your pictures are much more convincing than the older russian literature!
The occurence of H. obscuripennis might be quite new: the species is expending north as are many other Phasiinae. Often quite rapidly.
Global warming.
Theo Zeegers
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 30-08-2006 08:55
#18
Please don't get me wrong, too Theo ;) - maybe it's just another proof that
Tachinidae were not frequently (if ever) collected and/or observed at my location.
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 30-08-2006 12:34
#19
I've found a host record (for Japan) -
Arma custos, Pentatomidae (Nishiyama, M. M. Iwasa, and K. Hori. 1995. Parasitism by tachinid flies (Diptera, Tachinidae) of heteropterous insects in Tokachi, Hokkaido. Japanese Journal of Entomology 63(1):159-165.)