Thread subject: Diptera.info :: One more Geomyza

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 17-08-2006 15:07
#1

Moscow region, 17 aug, 3mm
Too dark

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 17-08-2006 15:14
#2

second image

Posted by Jan Willem on 17-08-2006 19:08
#3

Uhmmm, I don't know:o!! This is a very interesting one!! I hope you collected this specimen!! If not, please go back to there and collect a few:D. Who knows, maybe Geomyza vikhrevi;). Storage in alcohol might not be such a bat idea after all.

You certainly collect interesting material!

Jan Willem

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 17-08-2006 19:59
#4

To collect it I had to stop myself on this two lower than medium quality photos.
One of a kind so far.
Nikita

Posted by Jan Willem on 17-08-2006 21:38
#5

Hi Nikita,

Does this specimen have 1+2 dc or 1+3 dc? On the first picture it looks like ther are three post sutural dorsocentral bristles of which the first one is rather minute, but it is difficult to judge from your picture.

Jan Willem

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 17-08-2006 22:20
#6

It is the problem. My test - clearly 1+2. May be both dc of first postsutural pair are broken? Neither hypopleural seta. Arista long plumose dorsaly, very short ventraly. tp - darkened, ta - clear, but vein itself black.

Posted by Jan Willem on 18-08-2006 07:05
#7

Seems not to match any species I know (and I have seen most of the species described). I would love to have a look at this specimen!

Jan Willem

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 18-08-2006 12:00
#8

Hi Jan.
I have news.
First fly was collected in 3-4m from my countryhouse. Taday I collected 3 more in 3 km from house under my "Medetera tree". 2 of them became to copulate inside my exgauster and did it according all Geomyza species I so far observed during good 60 min. So we have both sexes of same species at least.
I'll write again after I pin them and look under microscop.
Nikita

Posted by Jan Willem on 18-08-2006 12:52
#9

Hi Nikita,

That's good news indeed. Having both sexes makes a positive identification easier. Please show pictures of the specimens once they have been pinned! I'm getting more and more curious:).

Jan Willem

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 18-08-2006 13:50
#10

First - one life photo, all three almost as small as first "G. apicalis" and obviosly larger that yesterday's Geomyza

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 18-08-2006 14:02
#11

Still I can't find 3-d pair of postsutural dc (or 3-d dc have to be almost as thin and short as ac).

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 18-08-2006 14:09
#12

Copulation inside my exgauster.
O, sorry, Black just has writen my that I have to use the word "aspirator".
In Deuchland - exgauster?

Posted by Jan Willem on 18-08-2006 14:48
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Your last pictures show very apicalis-like specimens. If you would examine the genitalia I expect these will lead you to G. apicalis. The wings of the specimen on your first picture are very wide for G. apicalis. However I would not be surprised if it turnes out to be conspecific with G. apicalis. It is a highly variable species (in colouration, size and width of the wings)! I have not seen apicalis specimens with wings as wide as in the specimen on your first pictures though.

For as far as I know exhauster and aspirator can both be used.

Jan Willem

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 18-08-2006 15:45
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Non-entomological: well it's not my native language, yet I would still insist on 'aspirator', since it seems to me that 'exhauster' generally means a kind of a vacuum cleaner or similar gadget that is used 'for drawing out noxious air or waste material by means of a partial vacuum'.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 18-08-2006 17:46
#15

Thank you Jan.
So 1+3. Well, apicalis isn't bad too.
Nikita

Posted by Kahis on 18-08-2006 19:06
#16

...or just take the cheapest way out and call it a pooter. The aspirator I mean, not the fly. For a more formal word I'd side with Black, apirator sounds better than exhauster. If using an aspirator leaves you exhausted, I would recommend an immediate medical check;)

Posted by Susan R Walter on 19-08-2006 09:02
#17

I would use pooter, as Kahis suggests, for all but the most formal discussion. Aspirator is better for very formal circumstances, as this implies air intake. Exhauster implies air expulsion so I think is not quite the right word. However, don't worry about it too much - I am sure everyone knew what you were talking about.

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 25-08-2006 11:03
#18

Thanks for you explanations Jere and Susan, although I went a little bit too linguistic ;)