Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Rhagio strigosus?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 31-07-2006 21:54
#1
Hello!
These Rhagionids numerously inhabited a tree trunk in our garden today (Germany). Is this
Rhagio strigosus? Thanks in advance!
Posted by Tony Irwin on 01-08-2006 21:45
#2
Could be, but it is difficult to separate male
strigosus from
scolopaceus. Also there is another species,
latipennis that occurs in Germany. In this species the wings are rather broader than the others, and this may be what you have photographed. It is difficult to tell from the angle of the shot. :( I only have
scolopaceus in my collection, so perhaps someone with all the species can compare and give you a better answer! :)
Posted by Juergen Peters on 01-08-2006 23:13
#3
Hello Tony,
thanks for your reply!
Tony Irwin wrote:
Could be, but it is difficult to separate male strigosus from scolopaceus.
My first thought was indeed
R. scolopaceus, but isn't that a spring species? They were numerous here, but have disappeared some weeks ago. Additionally the current flies are considerably smaller than
R. scolopaceus.
Also there is another species, latipennis that occurs in Germany. In this species the wings are rather broader than the others, and this may be what you have photographed. It is difficult to tell from the angle of the shot.
Of course the wings seem relatively broad to me. I have added another photo more from above.
Edited by Juergen Peters on 01-08-2006 23:15
Posted by Paul Beuk on 02-08-2006 07:15
#4
From my key I understand that both
R. strigosus and
R. latipennis should have yellowish sides of the thorax, of about the same colour as the femora. In addition,
R. latipennis has wings that are only 2.5 times as long as wide. Here it appears to be about 3. So in my opinion, I think it is
R. scolopaceus.
Apparently the species is getting scarcer in July and August, but there is even a Danish record from early September. Speculation: It has been hot and dry for quite some time. I have noticed some species that appeared to postpone their emergence until the surroundings became more humid. Maybe the case with your
Rhagio's, too?
Posted by Tony Irwin on 02-08-2006 09:06
#5
The more dorsal view shows that the wings are not so broad, so I agree with Paul that
latipennis is unlikely. However, I understand that the thoracic colour of the male
strigosus can be grey sometimes, so I'm not
certain that this is
scolopaceus. There is a difference in the antennal shape, with
scolopaceus having a pointed ventral projection, but I cannot tell from the photos exactly what shape they are. If you can get a detailed close-up lateral shot of the head, we may be able to be sure!
Don't worry too much about flight times or size - as Paul says,
scolopaceus can fly much later than some books suggest, and small individuals do occur - depending on conditions during development.
Posted by Paul Beuk on 02-08-2006 09:43
#6
My main reason for concern that it may NOT be
R. scolopaceus would be the rather darkish impression I get from the specimens. Still, I have not seen that the overall colour of
R. strigosus should be darker and that does not fit with the yellowish lateral part of the thorax either...
Posted by Juergen Peters on 02-08-2006 14:58
#7
Hello Paul and Tony,
many thanks for your explanations!
Tony Irwin wrote:
There is a difference in the antennal shape, with scolopaceus having a pointed ventral projection, but I cannot tell from the photos exactly what shape they are. If you can get a detailed close-up lateral shot of the head, we may be able to be sure!
Unfortunately I have no real lateral shot, the pics below are the best I have taken. I would try to get better photos, but today it is raining all the time :-(.
Edited by Juergen Peters on 02-08-2006 14:59
Posted by Zeegers on 02-08-2006 21:03
#8
I have to agree with Tony.
A much more crucial and better feature than the colouration of pleurae is the length of the third antennal segment. The third antennal segment is definitely short on the picture, unless it is very misleading, that is, shorter than the second. This rules out Rh. scolopaceus.
Moreover, as pointed out by Paul, July is clearly not in favour of scolopaceus.
In latipennis, in males the eyes should be separated, which I don't see on the picture. So in my opinion Juergen was right from the beginning: strigosus.
Theo Zeegers
Posted by Juergen Peters on 03-08-2006 22:41
#9
Hello, Theo!
Moreover, as pointed out by Paul, July is clearly not in favour of scolopaceus.
In latipennis, in males the eyes should be separated, which I don't see on the picture. So in my opinion Juergen was right from the beginning: strigosus.
Thanks a lot!
Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-09-2006 23:46
#10
Hello!
Zeegers wrote:
Moreover, as pointed out by Paul, July is clearly not in favour of scolopaceus.
By the way: those flies are still around here in our garden now in mid September (pic from yesterday).