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Posted by pwalter on 16-11-2009 00:46

Hi, these big Phorids were all around, so I photographed 2 and collected other 2, but I think they are all the same. Some 5 mm long. They also invaded the car:) Mountain region.

Posted by pwalter on 16-11-2009 00:47

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So, I should brake off one wing, cook the animal in KOH, take one hind leg off, slide mount the animal laterally and the leg dorsoventrally?

Edited by pwalter on 16-11-2009 00:49

Posted by phil withers on 16-11-2009 00:59

Don't cook the wing ! Mounting the leg laterally is fine (it will lay that way naturally)...otherwise you've got it !

Posted by bbrown on 19-11-2009 05:52

Not Hypocera. It is either a Triphleba or Diplonevra. A close up of the genitalia, not blocked by the legs, would let me be sure.

Brian

Posted by pwalter on 23-11-2009 01:37

Hi, I cooked it in KOH and here are some details: Terminalia:

Posted by pwalter on 23-11-2009 01:38

3rd leg:

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Edited by pwalter on 23-11-2009 01:38

Posted by bbrown on 29-11-2009 00:41

#11

It is a male Triphleba. Good photos.

Brian

Posted by pwalter on 29-11-2009 21:26

#12

Thank You! How could we get a species id?

Posted by bbrown on 01-12-2009 04:51

#13

You'd have to use the key in Die Fliegen. Or send me the specimen and I'll identify it for you.

Brian

Posted by pwalter on 04-12-2009 23:59

#14

Thank You Brian. The preparated specimen luckily cleared out! It is beautiful, so many details :) Just for showing here are some pics:

Posted by pwalter on 05-12-2009 00:10

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Edited by pwalter on 05-12-2009 00:11

Posted by phil withers on 05-12-2009 00:45

#18

Are there hairs on the vein before the fork ? If so, it is autumnalis. If not, it does not seem to correspond to anything in Disney...

Posted by pwalter on 07-12-2009 13:25

#19

Hi, I made two photos, which is the fork?

Posted by phil withers on 07-12-2009 18:31

#21

The fork is the V-configuration of veins in your first photo: look to see if there are hairs near this on the long vein...

Posted by pwalter on 07-12-2009 19:55

#22

Well, I only see those small microtrichia (?) which are present on the whole wing...

Edited by pwalter on 07-12-2009 19:56

Posted by phil withers on 07-12-2009 20:48

#23

They would be long bristles if present - which seems not to be the case.

Posted by pwalter on 07-12-2009 21:57

#24

So, not autumnalis and not in the key of Disney... Interesting! Thank You for Your contribution!

Posted by bbrown on 08-12-2009 03:59

#25

You need to use Die Fliegen. Disney's book is only for England.

Posted by bbrown on 10-12-2009 19:55

#26

The first couplet in Die Fliegen is "scutellum with 4 large, subequal bristles" vs "anterior scutellar bristles much smaller than posterior" [actually, the literal translation is "scutellum four-bristled" versus "scutellum two-bristled", but you get the idea].

There are 49 species in Die Fliegen, and a few more have been described since.

Brian

Posted by pwalter on 10-12-2009 20:04

#27

Thank You Brian, I think I'll keep on catching them, making preparations, and ask for genus ID here, and later I will get in contact maybe with a local specialist, or get a copy of the Fliegen. There's a young entomologist in Hungary, who eorks with Papp, and he studies Phoridae, but I haven't got in contact with him yet.

Walter

Posted by pwalter on 11-01-2011 12:19

#28

Hi, I found this preparated fly from 2009 and made new photos of it with a better microscope.

These are the mouthparts:

Edited by pwalter on 11-01-2011 12:20