Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Nearly wingless fly ? -> Conioscinella zetterstedti
Posted by ole on 14-09-2009 22:10
#1
Can it be a Chloropidae ??
on the cost in Southern jutland (easten part)
Running fast around on a boat.
Thanks, Ole
Edited by ole on 23-02-2010 14:15
Posted by ole on 14-09-2009 22:12
#2
more angels
Posted by paqui on 14-09-2009 22:30
#3
there was a palaearctic Chloropidae with such small wings, Neuropachys brachiptera, (Hungary) but it´s not at Fauna Europaea and I can´t find a synonim, I´ll try
lovely :D
Posted by ole on 14-09-2009 22:36
#4
It vas a small lovely one.
great you are trying!
Posted by paqui on 14-09-2009 22:45
#6
thanks! :)
Posted by ole on 14-09-2009 22:57
#7
Thank you very much, Paul
Regards Ole
Posted by Paul Beuk on 14-09-2009 23:07
#8
Mind you, I don't know whether that is the name to go with this fly. AFAIK
Tricimba has two longitudinal grooves in the mesonotum but perhaps that does not apply to the subgenus in question.
Posted by ole on 14-09-2009 23:15
#9
So it can not be ID-ed from thse photos
I´ve not other angles, unfortunately
Ole
Posted by paqui on 14-09-2009 23:57
#10
* reading more carefully the description many characters fit but "Neuropachys" should have grooves, sorry
*(edit): another try, just by name: Conioscinella brachyptera (again I don´t find the synonim, but black antennae, "Backen gelb, wenig schmäler als das 3. Fuhlerglied" I don´t understand this meaning of "Backen" ), body 1-1´5mm, grey wing with black veins... Do I follow with this one or try another?
Edited by paqui on 15-09-2009 00:23
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 15-09-2009 00:44
#11
i think
backen gelb means intense yellow...
Posted by Andrzej on 15-09-2009 00:49
#12
"Backen" are the same as genae (pluralis) in Latin !
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 15-09-2009 01:00
#13
well, hardly my German is great. dzieki, Andrzej.
Posted by paqui on 15-09-2009 17:06
#15
- Jorge) Thanks for your interest
- Andrzej) I suspected it was not an oven question ;) I´ve got 2 german dictionaries but this vocabulary is difficult to find, thank you!
- Paul) thanks again, finding syninimies is difficult for me :)
- head a little broader than thorax
- face grey-white
- frons: yellow at the front side and grey-black backside, with black hairs
- ocellar triangle black -> I thionk it doesn´t fit,
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Edited by paqui on 15-09-2009 17:16
Posted by ole on 16-09-2009 23:29
#16
Thank you for trying paqui!:)
If I ever, ever get a chance to se this funny litle fly again i´ll better try to catch it!
best regards, Ole
Posted by Gordon on 18-11-2009 11:31
#17
Interesting but not totally helpful (I found this link through Google :D) - Michael Tschirnhaus has included Conioscinella brachyptera in a list of chloropidae from Kerkini - I have been looking for an authority with little luck, it is not in FE. Can anybody help.?????
Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2009 11:48
#18
From what I can deduce
Conioscinella brachyptera 'does not exist'. The name has been used for a species of
Conioscinella and it was acredited to Zetterstedt, [1848]. Later examination of material showed that in fact it was a species of
Aphanotrigonum and the
Conioscinella species was given the name
zetterstedti by Andersson.
Whether the species mentioned by Von Tschirnhaus it the one species or the other, you should ask him.
Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2009 14:57
#19
I alerted Michael to this trhead. He lost lost his password so he sent the reply to me directly:
How much discussion! The fly is Conioscinella zetterstedti Andersson, 1966 (= C. brachyptera auctt. nec Zetterstedt). "Backen" normally means cheeks, but several Acalyptratae in addition have "Wangen", for example Agromyzidae. Wangen are the prolongation of the strips at the side of the face (antennal pits) along the whole lower part of the eye. This difference often is mixed up by well experienced actual dipterists if they measure the width of the "Backen" (genae) in comparison to the height of the eyes. Some manuals, too, do not consider this difference, they only explain "gena". In such families as Agromyzidae you have to be careful to distinguish between Backen (= jowls) and Wangen (= cheeks), and such a measurement has to be called "Backen plus Wangen" (cheeks and jowls together) for example 1/6 height of eye. "Cheeks" never are equipped with setulae.
C. zetterstedti is a very abundant species along the sea but also in dryer inland grassland, partly with normal and partly with short or even without wings. The larvae are phytosaprophagous. The scutellum is very short, in alcohol material you may see 3 or 5 darker longitudinal stripes on the scutum. The scutum (mesonotum) is much more shining than in similar Aphanotrigonum species. In my database I have 145 articles on this fly either as zetterstedti or as brachyptera. Tricimba (= Crassivenula, = Neuropachys) brachyptera (Thalhammer, 1913) is a quite different species (also in dry grassland), as well Aphanotrigonum nigripes brachypterum (Zetterstedt, 1848) and "Myrmemorpha brachyptera Dufour, 1833" (partly treated as a synonym of Elachiptera brevipennis). In the older literature C. brachyptera auctt. has also been treated in the genera Oscinella, Oscinis, Tropidoscinis or Oscinisoma. I add 6 selected articles on this fly, partly with the exact page numbers on which the species is discussed:
Ardö, P. (1957) Studies in the marine shore dune ecosystem with special reference to the dipterous fauna. - Opuscula entomologica Supplementum 14: 1-255; Lund. [En] 140-147 187-189 214-215.
Bährmann, R. (1987) Untersuchungen der Dipterenfauna in natur- und industrienahen Rasenbiotopen Thüringens (DDR) mittels Bodenfallen (Diptera Brachycera). - Deutsche entomologische Zeitschrift (neue Folge) 34 (1-3): 85-105; Berlin. [De en]. Studies on the fauna of Diptera in natural and industry-influenced grassland biotopes of Thuringia (GDR) by pitfall trapping.
Brauns, A. (1938) Die Flügelrückbildung bei der Strandfliege Conioscinella brachyptera Zett. (Diptera; Chloropidae) und die Beziehungen zur Ausbildung der Flügelsinneskuppeln. - Zoologischer Anzeiger 123 (10-12): 281-295; Leipzig. [De] (Wing reduction in the beach fly Conioscinella brachyptera Zett. (Diptera; Chloropidae) and the relations to the formation of the sense buds on the wings).
Brauns, A. (1939) Morphologische und physiologische Untersuchungen zum Halterenproblem unter besonderer Berücksichtigung brachypterer Arten. - Zoologische Jahrbücher, Abteilung für allgemeine Zoologie und Physiologie der Tiere 59: 245-390; Jena. [De] (Morphological and physiological studies on the halter problem, with special reference to brachypterous species). 248 324-333 341 349 351 370-373 381 383.
Mohrig, W. (1967) Beitrag zur Ökologie und Verbreitung brachypterer Dipteren in norddeutschen Biotopen. - Deutsche entomologische Zeitschrift (neue Folge) 14 (1-2): 169-184; Berlin. [De de] (Contribution to the ecology and distribution of brachypterous Diptera in biotopes of northern Germany).173-176 182.
Wheeler, T. A. (1994) Conioscinella zetterstedti Andersson (Diptera: Chloropidae), a chloropid fly with polymorphic wing reduction, new to the Nearctic and central Palaearctic regions. - Canadian Entomologist 126: 1377-1381; Ottawa. [En en fr]
Dr. Michael von Tschirnhaus
Posted by paqui on 19-11-2009 20:09
#20
Oh, it´s very, very interesting, thank you very much :)
Posted by Gordon on 20-11-2009 16:57
#21
Thanks Paul and Michael,
Sadly that means my total number of flies is now down to 1772 (I've been going backwards all week) come on people I only need 28 species more before I hand the report in to make the flies look really amazing.
Posted by ole on 23-02-2010 14:02
#22
Oh!
Thank you very much Christian!!
The lasts replies I havent seen before now, sorry.
As Paqui said it´s very interesting!
I´m very glad for the name and explanation.
Thanks to Dr. Michael von Tschirnhaus
:)
Regards Ole