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Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Heleomyzidae, Hungary from cave > Heteromyza sp

Posted by pwalter on 09-02-2009 19:13

These flies were really abundant in a cave we visited on weekend (7th February). Also, there were a lot of pupae also, on the walls of the cave and on the floor also. This is quite a long and big cave, and the flies were mostly near the entrance. Can someone determine them?

Edited by pwalter on 10-02-2009 23:27

Posted by pwalter on 09-02-2009 19:13

Posted by pwalter on 09-02-2009 19:14

Do these pupae belong to these flies?

Posted by pwalter on 09-02-2009 19:15

pupa2

Posted by Andrzej on 09-02-2009 19:39

Heteromyza sp.

Posted by pwalter on 09-02-2009 22:05

Thank You! What characters are needed for further ID? I have a specimen.

Posted by pwalter on 10-02-2009 11:20

I looked it up in a checklist and from this cave three Heleomyzids are recorded: Gymnomus caesius, Heleomyza captiosa, and Heteromyza atricornis. I think than it must be H. atricornis. Can anything be said about the pupae?

Posted by Andrzej on 10-02-2009 12:36

please, be patient. I am very busy at the moment !.
I will give you the ID next day . OK ?
Andrzej

Posted by katerina dvorakova on 10-02-2009 13:52

#10

Hello,
because Andrzej is busy, i try to say somethink about your flies. I think it is not possible to determine species from these photos (I need frontal view to mail), but from caves I know only H. atricornis (my own experience and literature too).
Katka

Posted by Andrzej on 10-02-2009 21:52

#11

Attention please !. The gena is very small (you can compare with specimensof H.atricornis from the Diptera Gallery). Hmm... It is better to ID as Heteromyza sp. Andrzej

Posted by katerina dvorakova on 10-02-2009 23:10

#12

Hello Andrzej,
I dont understand your attention:o. The gena of Heteromyza males are always smaller than females. In diptera gallery are only females and i think the third photo from pwalter is a male.
Katka

Posted by pwalter on 10-02-2009 23:34

#13

Hi, thanks for the help so far, I upload one more photo. What is the gena?

Posted by Sundew on 10-02-2009 23:43

#14

Gena ist the cheek - the part of the head below the eyes.
Regards, Sundew

Posted by pwalter on 13-02-2009 22:23

#15

Thanks!

1 week is passed, and from a collected pupa a fly emerded. This is how an exuvium looks like. I'll provide more pics of the specimen.