Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Campiglossa
Posted by Mouchecrins on 30-03-2026 12:59
#1
Hi everyone,
Found 2 of this female Tephritidae on snow in French Alps, 2250 meter elevation.

Barneix G. : France : Le Monêtier-les-Bains : 05220 : 06/03/2026
Altitude : 2250 - Taille : 4 mm
Réf. : 371682

Barneix G. : France : Le Monêtier-les-Bains : 05220 : 06/03/2026
Altitude : 2250 - Taille : 4 mm
Réf. : 371683
After some search and thanks to latique on a my
thread on a Frenchforum, i consider this female as a
Campiglossa, but not shure at all for the species.
From the different criteria i could find, it could be
difficilis or
sororcula, with the brown femur, size of the front compare to eye's size, and wing patern. In fact, i do have setae on the scutellum apex.
Did someone have an idea ?
Thank's a lot every one :)
Edited by Mouchecrins on 30-03-2026 13:02
Posted by Nosferatumyia on 30-03-2026 22:14
#2
Not sure they are the same:
a) certainly
C. difficilis -- on Taraxacum serotinum, on subalpine meadows, 1000-2500 m
b) very-very probably
C. doronici -- on Doronicum and Arnica, idem
Edited by Nosferatumyia on 30-03-2026 22:14
Posted by Mouchecrins on 31-03-2026 08:03
#3
Oh whaou! I was wondering if it was possible that these two female were not from the same species...amazing. Furethemore, i find a
T. ruralis in the same area.
Thanks a lot for your response. What are the criteria that make the difference between these two species ?
thanks Val
Posted by Nosferatumyia on 31-03-2026 10:00
#4
Tephritis ruralis is a
Hieracium-associated species, and it means that there is a chance that
C. doronici actually can be
C. achyrophori -- the status of both is vaque, and the differences are tiny (blurred wing pattern, slightly longer oviposiyor and the host plant in
C. doronici); I foresee that COI difference between them is near zero.
Edited by Nosferatumyia on 31-03-2026 10:01
Posted by Mouchecrins on 01-04-2026 08:10
#5
Thanks for this interesting response. So if understand well, we can't be shure yet for the second one (
T. doronici).
Concerning the probable
difficilis,
Taraxacum serotinum seems to be missing in the area, but i imagine that the fly could feed on other species of the same genus, wich is certainly present here.
Is there a particular criteria for this one ?
Thanks again !
Posted by Nosferatumyia on 05-04-2026 12:30
#6
Any submontane
Taraxacum, except common officinalis.
C. difficilis is a strictly olygophagous species, restricted to most of Taraxacum.
Edited by Nosferatumyia on 05-04-2026 12:31
Posted by Mouchecrins on 07-04-2026 11:22
#7
Hi Val. thanks for the information. Sorry if i was not clear, i was speaking about a morphological or patern criteria for
difficilis, for wich you look quite shure.
Here the aculeus of the 2 individuals:
First one, damaging maybe during the process, is from the "
difficilis"

Barneix G. : France : Le Monêtier-les-Bains : 05220 : 06/03/2026
Altitude : 2250 - Taille : 4 mm
Réf. : 371917
The second is from the second one, wich could be
achyrophori or
guttella ? Or still
doronici for you ?

Barneix G. : France : Le Monêtier-les-Bains : 05220 : 06/03/2026
Altitude : 2250 - Taille : 4 mm
Réf. : 371855
Thanks a lot!
Posted by Nosferatumyia on 07-04-2026 20:26
#8
No need to dissect, the ratio of oviscape = 2 or 3 or 4 last tergites is important. In the case of difficilis -- it is, beacause it is as long as 4 tergites (quite obviously).
The second is much more problematic without knowing the host. Bernhard Merz had not solved the problem, and it is still pending.
Posted by Mouchecrins on 08-04-2026 14:10
#9
Okay Val, thanks a lot for the answer and time spent |t