Thread subject: Diptera.info :: pipunculidae?
Posted by margriet on 11-03-2008 16:51
#1
first, I want to say hello to everyone here...
I'm not really a dipterist, just a everythingist:D but I hope to get some help here, I might become even more interested when I find out it isn't so hard to find species names... I think it is...
Well, I took some pictures of a little fly last oktober 2007 in arnhem, the netherlands. The fly was about 5 to 6 mm and I found it between the grass, but in the area there's also bushes (conifers, rubus fruticosus, sambucus nigra) and in the grass also some plants (cirsium vulgare, daucus carota and more)
I found out through an other forum (waarneming.nl) it's a probable pipunculidae species and very hard to get more closer to a species name,
Thanks!
regards, margriet
Posted by margriet on 11-03-2008 16:54
#2
another picture:
Posted by Xespok on 11-03-2008 17:25
#3
Yes Pipunculidae. You will probably get a genus from others.
Posted by viktor j nilsson on 11-03-2008 21:57
#4
Oh, I have just a little experience with these great flies and I feel that I would like to discuss them a bit. I am right that this is somewhere in subfam. Pipunculinae (No ocellar bristles, occiput with straight margins and broad) and tribe Eudorylini (propleuron without fan of setae (right?), tergites dusted, pterostigm present and crossvein r-m in basal part of cell M).
Am I right that far?
Posted by viktor j nilsson on 11-03-2008 22:05
#5
...which leaves us the genuses Dasydorylas or Eudorylas. I think it is possible to se that the hind tibia has no anteroemedial setae, which would mean that it belongs to the species rich genus Eudorylas.
So that would be my guess: Eudorylas sp.
Posted by phil withers on 11-03-2008 22:49
#6
Your eyes are better than mine if you can see the pteropleural hair fan !
Posted by viktor j nilsson on 12-03-2008 00:35
#7
I
didn't see it!
But I think I may have to revise what I said. Maybe the propleural fan IS there! In the first picture - isn't the front portion of the thorax rather hairy? This would then indicate
Pipunculus. The wing venation also look good for
Pipunculus. Well, I look forward to hearing from Mr. Gibbs!
Posted by margriet on 12-03-2008 10:05
#8
maybe another close shot of the wing helps? I'm already impressed with the reactions !
Posted by margriet on 12-03-2008 10:08
#9
and this close up shows definitely hairy thorax, the drops of water even stick to it...
Posted by David Gibbs on 12-03-2008 10:16
#10
female
Pipunculus probably
campestris, a lateral view of ovipositor will help eliminate some species.
Posted by margriet on 12-03-2008 10:33
#11
I'm really sorry to not be able to show a good picture of ovipositor.... shows me for the beginner I am:D This is the best I can do: