Thread subject: Diptera.info :: [Pegomya hyoscyami group] Anthomyiidae ex Atriplex halimus
Posted by HDumas on 05-11-2024 20:49
#1
Hello,
Two larvae get out of a leaf of
Atriplex halimus growing along the mediterranean sea. They pupate in the rearing box and two males emerges.
Here is one of them:
H. Dumas : France : La Ciotat : 13600 : 30/09/2024
Altitude : NR - Taille : 4.5 mm
Réf. : 350782
H. Dumas : France : La Ciotat : 13600 : 30/09/2024
Altitude : NR - Taille : --
Réf. : 350817
I don't see the
"short blunt spines on the lobes of the fifth sternite" of Delia albula.
May I have your opinion?
Edited by HDumas on 09-11-2024 19:05
Posted by John Carr on 05-11-2024 22:26
#2
Is
Delia albula a leaf miner in
Atriplex?
Delia echinata larvae move through stems between leaves. Adult males have at least 2 av, 4 ad, and 3 pd on hind tibia. A few members of the
Pegomya (Pegomya) hyoscami species group are leaf miners in Chenopodiaceae. Those are the only Anthomyiidae I know of that might have come out of your leaf mines. A picture of the 5th sternite might help ID.
Posted by HDumas on 06-11-2024 23:14
#3
I know nothing about
Delia albata, except that it has been found along the Channel (
Zuydcoote). The genus
Delia was just proposed as a possibility
on the french forum.
Here are two other pictures if they can help:
the last sternites:
H. Dumas : France : La Ciotat : 13600 : 30/09/2024
Altitude : NR - Taille : --
Réf. : 351846
the left hind tibia (front view):
H. Dumas : France : La Ciotat : 13600 : 30/09/2024
Altitude : NR - Taille : --
Réf. : 351845
Posted by John Carr on 07-11-2024 00:18
#4
The shape of the 5th sternite does not match
Delia echinata. Some members of the
Pegomya hyoscyami group have the arms incurving at the tips like your fly and I think your fly belongs to that group. I do not have a reference for European species, other than those that are also found in North America.
Edited by John Carr on 07-11-2024 00:19
Posted by HDumas on 07-11-2024 18:53
#6
Many thanks for your help John!
According to Michelsen (1980), this male should belong to the group
exilis/ Hyoscyami (width of interfrontal area
vs ocellus; shape of abdomen and postabdomen), but I'm not able to appreciate the features of the genitalia.
Edited by HDumas on 09-11-2024 19:04