Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Thailand Muscidae ID -> Hydrotaea chalcogaster

Posted by smol on 09-09-2024 09:21
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23 Jul 2024, Thailand (Koh Samui)

Observation: https://observation.org/observation/327574968/

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Edited by smol on 09-09-2024 22:48

Posted by John Carr on 09-09-2024 11:46
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Muscidae. Hydrotaea capensis?

Posted by smol on 09-09-2024 12:29
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John Carr wrote:
Muscidae. Hydrotaea capensis?


Thank you very much!

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-09-2024 15:17
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John, I agree that it is Hydrotaea (Ophyra). But I don't think it is capensis. It seems to me that eyes are not emarginated on hind margin. Most probable H. chalcogaster.

Posted by John Carr on 09-09-2024 15:27
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Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
John, I agree that it is Hydrotaea (Ophyra). But I don't think it is capensis. It seems to me that eyes are not emarginated on hind margin. Most probable H. chalcogaster.


Is there a modern review of this group? I checked Sabrosky (1949). He says the male of O. chalcogaster has partially yellow fore tarsi and the female has partially yellow arista.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-09-2024 17:14
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I use Fauna of India, Emden 1965.
Yes, absence of emargination against invisible orange on arista.
1. I suppose emargination more reliable.
2. In female yellowish arista is not easy visible, especially on photo.
3. I personally spent a lot of time in Thailand. H. capensis isn't reported for Thailand. Especially on southern Koh Samui. In S thailand only H. spinigera and H. chalcogaster are present.

Posted by smol on 09-09-2024 20:37
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Thank you very much John and Nikita! For what it is worth, a zoomed in picture of the head based on the raw file:
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Interestingly enough, I can see the yellowish arista basally and only dorsally. I have checked multiple dorsal pictures, and they all show this basal yellowish (towards orange) color. Though, the sun reflection still makes it very hard.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-09-2024 21:58
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Well, as you know I'm expert. My decision is H. (chalcogaster with very small "?")

Posted by smol on 09-09-2024 22:48
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Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
Well, as you know I'm expert. My decision is H. (chalcogaster with very small "?")


Much appreciated! Very happy with this name :)

Edited by smol on 09-09-2024 22:49