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Posted by Marion Friedrich on 07-06-2022 22:06

Hi,
This fly, less than 5 mm in size, hatched from a small pupa (Lepidoptera). Is ID possible?
Greetings, Marion
Germany, Saxony, June 2022.

Edited by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 19:55

Posted by eklans on 08-06-2022 10:12

Hi Marion, it's a difficult one - for me, not all significant features are visible. But I suspect it could be an Elodia morio.

Edited by eklans on 08-06-2022 10:12

Posted by Marion Friedrich on 09-06-2022 09:08

Hi Eric,
thank you very much.
I can try to take more photos. Which key features should be visible for the confirmation of Elodia morio?
Greetings, Marion

Posted by eklans on 09-06-2022 10:11

Hi Marion, photos of the apical bristles of the scutellum and the ocellar bristles with the oi should help.

Posted by Marion Friedrich on 10-06-2022 10:21

Hi Eric,
here is another new photo. Photographing black flies without laboratory equipment is a real challenge.

Greetings,
Marion

Posted by eklans on 10-06-2022 11:22

Hi Marion, I know the problems of photographing black flies - your photo is nearly perfect!
With the T&H key + translation by Rayner & Raper I think we see this:
ocellar bristles ≈ oi [not sure]
2nd arista segment > diameter
scutellum with apical bristles [but thin enough?]
2+3 dc
r-m almost vertical on m
r-m to m-cu ≈ m-cu to bow
mid tibia: 1 ad
abdomen shiny black, without bands of dusting
tergites 3 & 4 with discals
+ hatched from a small Lepidoptera pupa

But I think it's wise to wait for the expert.

Edited by eklans on 10-06-2022 11:23

Posted by Marion Friedrich on 10-06-2022 22:23

Hi Eric,
thank you very much for the summary of features.
As you suggest, I`ll wait for the expert.
Greetings, Marion

Posted by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 00:09

#10

up

Pictures of the host are in the lepiforum.
https://www.lepiforum.de/1_forum_2019.pl?md=read;id=178957

Edited by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 13:47

Posted by Zeegers on 28-01-2023 15:51

#11

I have seen Elodia morio only once, it seems this looks like one, if we are really sure the topcel is open.
Elodia is more often reared than seen in the wild, so that figures.

Theo