Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tanzanian Anthomyiid
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 20-01-2022 19:34
#1
Male. Eyes widely separated, crossed interfrontals absent. Underside of scutellum bare. All tibiae with long and fine ventral (or
av to
pv) hairs.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 20-01-2022 19:36
#2
Forgot: S-W Tanzania, 2200-2400 m asl.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 21-01-2022 20:50
#3
So far I have got reply from Verner Michelsen:
I have never seen anything like this fellow. Really interesting finding. In case the lower calypter is linear I would not rule out the possibility of a scathophagid fly. If this is indeed an anthomyiid fly, I am sure that the genitalia will reveal good clues as to its relationships.
Posted by John Carr on 21-01-2022 21:39
#4
All described species of Scathophagidae from Africa are in genus
Scathophaga and have only a single katepisternal bristle. I looked at three of Ackaland's papers on African Anthomyiidae and did not find any matches in
Anthomyia,
Delia, or
Emmesomyia. Dichoptic males are rare. There are at least two species groups of dichoptic Anthomyia elsewhere in the world, with
A. monilis and
A. punctipennis as typical species.
Posted by Zeegers on 22-01-2022 10:45
#5
I am very far from having any expertise here, but mu gut feeling is screaming SCATHOPHAGIDAE, even at first sight.
Theo
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 22-01-2022 10:53
#6
One the one hand, lower calypter is too large for Scathophagid. One the other hand, if it is Scathophagid, it is gen. nov..
Anyway, in Monday I'll show it to Andrey Ozerov, Scathophagid expert.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 26-01-2022 23:27
#7
The fly was examined by Ozerov, after some reflection Andrey told that it is not Scathophagid.
Posted by John Carr on 26-01-2022 23:50
#8
Can you post a picture of sternite 5?
Posted by Zeegers on 27-01-2022 09:14
#9
It must be a family nov : Scathomyiidae :)
Theo
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 27-01-2022 16:14
#10
Yes, Theo!
Really, so far:
Michelsen doesn't recognize the fly as Anthomyiid;
Ozerov doesn't recognize the fly as Scathophagid;
Vikhrev doesn't recognize the fly as Muscid.
John I will do genitalia and submit it!
Posted by Zeegers on 27-01-2022 21:10
#11
Unbelievable.
Suspense is killing
Do you have just one male ? DNA an option ?
Theo
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 27-01-2022 23:25
#12
I have 2 males.
Let us act with Tanzanian fly as Tanzanian language (swahili) recommends:
pole-pole = slow-slow = to start with examination of genitalia
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 13-02-2022 11:32
#13
I made a preliminary photo of postabdomen.
My test: it fits genus Anthomyia
Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 13-02-2022 11:36
Posted by John Carr on 13-02-2022 17:26
#14
Griffiths (2001): "Constitutive (apomorphic) characters of
Anthomyia (
sensu lato) are found mainly in the structure of the male terminalia. The 5th sternite processes lack strong outer lateral setae (not longer than the setae along their inner margins except in a few species of the
A. pluvialis section), and are more or less vertically oriented distally (with distinctive profile). Synsternite (6 + 7) bears a central, posteriorly directed process (visible in ventral view between the bases of the 5th sternite processes). The inner lobe of the (apically cleft) gonostylus is flattened, and bears a few ventral spines/spinules (strengthened setulae). The distal section of the aedeagus is extensively sclerotized across its dorsal surface (only narrowly membranous ventrally), in most species with a dorsal process at or near its base (or in species lacking this process flared basally, that is with its sclerotization appearing expanded bsally in dorsal view); the acrophallus is represented by a (partly or fully discrete) downcurved preapical sclerite."
He also notes that
Anthomyia is distinguished from
Lasiomma by the dark spots on the parafacial below the antenna bases when viewed from the side. I can't tell if your fly has those dark spots.