Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Clusiidae or Chloropidae ? Chamaepsila ephippium

Posted by Roy on 06-01-2022 16:31
#1
Hello,
this fly found in the dike of a polder pose to me a problem of famly.Size : 3 mm.
At Barbâtre- west of France-07 10 2021

The appearance of the head seems curious but I can say if it is due to the examination or if it is natural.

Thanks by advance for its identification.

Best regards

Christian

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos294/big/Chloropidae-Barbatre-RNN%20Sebastopol-07%2010%202021_00001.jpg
roy : France : Barbâtre : 85630 : 07/10/2021
Altitude : 0 m - Taille : 3 mm.
Réf. : 294888

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos294/big/Chloropidae%20ad%20x%204-Barbatre-RNN%20Sebastopol-07%2010%202021_00001.jpg
roy : France : Barbâtre : 85630 : 07/10/2021
Altitude : 0 m - Taille : 3 mm.
Réf. : 294889

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos294/big/Chloropidae%20te%20th%20x%204-Barbatre-RNN%20Sebastopol-07%2010%202021_00001.jpg
roy : France : Barbâtre : 85630 : 07/10/2021
Altitude : 0 m - Taille : 3 mm.
Réf. : 294890
Edited by Roy on 20-12-2023 19:24

Posted by Tony Irwin on 06-01-2022 18:25
#2
It seems to have a well-developed anal vein, so I don't think Chloropidae. May be worth trying Psilidae?

Posted by Roy on 06-01-2022 19:20
#3
Ah ok.

We will try this family.

Thank you very much.

Best regards.

Christian

Posted by Roy on 07-01-2022 16:08
#4
Hello,
Chamaepsila unilineata was suggested yesterday on the "forum du monde des insectes" by Eugène Vdb.

Is it good ?

Best regards.

Christian

Posted by Tony Irwin on 07-01-2022 22:03
#5
Yes, that seems the most likely species from these photos.

Posted by Roy on 08-01-2022 09:08
#6
Thank you very much.

Best regards.

Christian

Posted by Jocelyn Claude on 21-09-2022 17:30
#7
Hi, After examining this specimen under my bino, it is not possible that it is Chamaepsila unilineatas. The specimen has in fact one pair of dc (not two). There is a second, shorter dc (not a pair). It is not a true dc which has a 'button' at its birth. By studying the specimen in hand I can confirm that there is only one true pair of dc.
In the other hand the postpedicels are black (not yellow). If one follows the keys, one would logically end up with Chamaepsila ephippium (Zetterstedt, 1847). Examination of the terminala confirms this (picture here:https://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/view.php?ref=307410).
JOcelyn

Posted by Roy on 01-01-2024 15:27
#8
Hello,
For several days I have been trying to send you a photo of Chamaepsila ephippium for the Gallery but I can't manage it.

I did read the instructions (submit a photo)

My title is: Chamaepsila ephippium male, dét. J Claude.
The size of the selected photo is less than 200 kb.
And I've put the family Psilidae.
I didn't put anything in the description, though, because I don't know what to put, is it essential?
The software replies: "complete the form" and then I get stuck.

Thanks for your help.

Christian
Edited by Roy on 01-01-2024 15:28

Posted by Roy on 05-01-2024 18:54
#9
Hello,
it's a pity because I have several species of diptera that you don't have in your gallery (including Chamaepsila ephippium) and that could complete it.

Too bad.

Best regards

Christian