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Moral dilemma here guys...odd if someone gets on the wrong side of me I have absolutely no qualms in battering the s**t out of them, and have done so on many occasions, but I can't kill a fly....how can that be? If I was to turn into a murderer of flies (sorry..dipterist), what is the quickest way? Without all the gubbins of you REAL dipterists, IE chemicals and so on? Freezer? God, how to catch them without a net...or do I go for M hirtella ARGH.........:o. Anyway..I'm busy re-slating my roof at present, so will think about it...Regards Roger