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| Carnifex |
Posted on 06-02-2020 21:11
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 Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Hi, I need help with ID here. Vienna, early Feb in a vinegar trap   
Edited by Carnifex on 25-06-2023 09:01 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 06-02-2020 22:48
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 Super Administrator Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 10327 Joined: 22.10.10 |
An acalyptrate fly, possibly superfamily Sciomyzoidea. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 06-02-2020 22:53
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Dryomyzidae
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 07-02-2020 00:34
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Thanks guys! I am struggling with the term 'setulose' - does it mean 'hairy'? Because with R1 not setulose, prescutellar ac and strong postgenal bristles I reach Pseudoneuroctena senilis. But I am hesitant, as this would be a new species for Austria, apparently. So rather a Dryomyza (flaveola)? 
Edited by Carnifex on 25-06-2023 09:01 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-02-2020 10:21
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
The last wing image shows the tip of the subcosta, not of R1 so I dare not say with any certainty whether the tip of R1 is setulose or not (there should be a few in senilis). Setulosa means with small setae.
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 07-02-2020 10:30
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
I intentionally took the frame of R1 together with subcosta, because there the small hairs on R1 could be seen best. I was not going for the tip of R1 because in the key it says 'Vein R1 setose along length'. So now I know that these small hairs are not the feature to look at. I won't have time to provide more photos until next week. Thanks for helping out so far! Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 07-02-2020 11:10
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18902 Joined: 21.07.04 |
R1 looks setulose to me, but the setulae are broken off. You can still see the pores of implantation (I think) Is it from a malaise trap or so ? Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 07-02-2020 11:11
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18902 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Sorry, I just red vinegar trap. That might explain the poor condition
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 07-02-2020 11:24
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Yes Theo, in total I caught 10 individuals. Maybe I find one with intact setulae, but I agree that on the 'whole wing' image there are pores visible where the setae broke off. So a Dryomyza species. Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-02-2020 12:35
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Carnifex wrote: Maybe pop one specimen in the mail? Yes Theo, in total I caught 10 individuals. 
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 14-02-2020 21:38
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Here we have the prove: bristles on R1. So does it make it D. anilis?
Edited by Carnifex on 25-06-2023 09:04 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-02-2020 08:29
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
D. anlis should have them along the whole length of R1. The picture only shows support for Pseudoneuroctena senilis, I think.
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 18-02-2020 09:30
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1935 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Thanks, Paul. I like that conclusion. Do you want to get some specimens? Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 18-02-2020 09:58
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 847 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hi Carnifex, Could I get a few (male) specimens as well? Then I can compare them with my Mongolian material I collected last august... Kind regards, Ectemnius |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-02-2020 12:26
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Carnifex wrote: Certainly, thx. Thanks, Paul. I like that conclusion. Do you want to get some specimens? 
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