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Tachinidae - Pales pavida? = Pales sp
johnes81	#1 Posted on 19-11-2019 16:38
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	Berlin - September 2017 I think that this could be a Pales species (particularly pales) based upon the bluish color, reddish-brown hind tibia and long hairs seemingly at the facial ridge. Is this correct? I think it is also a female but i'm not sure. If it isn't a Pales sp, then i could use a better suggestion. note: no specimn and no other angles available. Thank you and Best wishes, John johnes81 attached the following image: [153.77Kb] Edited by johnes81 on 19-11-2019 19:30 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


Zeegers	#2 Posted on 19-11-2019 19:01
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18528 Joined: 21.07.04	Yes, it is a female Pales. Do you have Thaumetopoea around Berlin ? Theo


johnes81	#3 Posted on 19-11-2019 19:14
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	Hello Theo, Thank you for confirming the genus. Regarding Thaumetopoea, i do not know. I have not seen the caterpillars but i do not visit many places in Berlin (it is a large city). I will have to research that question. Meantime, I am happy with a genus since i only have three photos of this fly. Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


johnes81	#4 Posted on 19-11-2019 19:29
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	Thaumetopoea processionea is present around Berlin, so it could be Pales processioneae and i don't know how to separate them. I am okay with a genus, Theo I know how tricky it can be to separate very similar species. And i only have this angle avaiable. Thank you very much for taking time to reply, Theo. Best wishes, John Edited by johnes81 on 19-11-2019 19:30 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


Zeegers	#5 Posted on 20-11-2019 12:32
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18528 Joined: 21.07.04	Females are extemely similar and I am reluctant to make the call on this picture. Theo


johnes81	#6 Posted on 20-11-2019 12:34
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	All is good. Thank you for confirming the genus, Theo. Tachinidae in general are difficult. I doff my hat to you for working with this family so well. Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.