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Carnifex	#1 Posted on 08-07-2019 19:47
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	Hi, on a house wall in Vienna I could catch this fly, length about 2mm. Hope an ID is possible, at least family would be great. Edited by Carnifex on 16-07-2019 21:56 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Tony Irwin	#2 Posted on 08-07-2019 19:58
Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7193 Joined: 19.11.04	I think Phasia pusilla - hopefully an expert will confirm Tony ---------- Tony Irwin


Carnifex	#3 Posted on 09-07-2019 12:26
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	Thanks Tony, trying to take pictures that show ID features, so here are more pics to hopefully ID the species. I can see no additional parafrontal bristles and the haltere looks yellowish (but could be brown), so I am unsure where it keys out Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Tony Irwin	#4 Posted on 09-07-2019 13:53
Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7193 Joined: 19.11.04	Yes, the haltere is a bit pale for pusilla, but the orbits don't look like barbifrons. And I don't know whether you have additional species in Austria. Hopefully Theo or someone who knows these flies well will give an opinion... Tony ---------- Tony Irwin


Zeegers	#5 Posted on 09-07-2019 20:29
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18525 Joined: 21.07.04	If you still have the specimen, can you please make a pic of the ovipositor lateral and if possible also "ventral" (= actually dorsal) ? It looks like pusilla, but there is something fishy going on, possibly. Theo


Carnifex	#6 Posted on 10-07-2019 11:01
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	ok, here you go :-) Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Carnifex	#7 Posted on 12-07-2019 08:04
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	are the new pics sufficient for an ID? Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Zeegers	#8 Posted on 16-07-2019 20:35
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18525 Joined: 21.07.04	Ah ! You improved the images of the ovipositor. Very nice ! And it confirms my suspicion on pusilla: definitely female mesnili. Hairs on gena should all be light coloured. Theo


Carnifex	#9 Posted on 16-07-2019 21:18
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	Thank you so much, Theo! That should make it a new species for the country The Tschorsnig-key leaves me at the theodori-complex, and I don't get access to further literature. What is the distinguishing feature at the ovipositor? Will have a look at the head again Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Zeegers	#10 Posted on 17-07-2019 21:15
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18525 Joined: 21.07.04	Joachim Ziegler wrote a perfect review in Studia Dipterologica, in the 1990’ies. Theo


Carnifex	#11 Posted on 17-07-2019 23:01
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	Zeegers wrote: Joachim Ziegler wrote a perfect review in Studia Dipterologica, in the 1990’ies. Exactly: Ziegler, J. (1994) The species of the Genus Phasia, subgenus Hyalomya R-.D. in central Europe (Diptera, Tachinidae). Studia Dipterologica, 1, 157-180 But as I mentioned above: Carnifex wrote: I don't get access So I would be glad to either have a read in that paper or get the ID features regarding P. mesnili Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Paul Beuk	#12 Posted on 18-07-2019 07:04
Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19226 Joined: 11.05.04	I sent you a link... Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info


Carnifex	#13 Posted on 18-07-2019 10:05
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1861 Joined: 23.06.15	Thx Paul, got it! Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


Rui Andrade	#14 Posted on 22-07-2019 07:55
Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07	Hi Paul, could you also send me the paper? Sorry for keep asking for papers!!

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