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small black Calyptrate -> Phasia mesnili
Carnifex
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Posted on 08-07-2019 20:47
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Hi,
on a house wall in Vienna I could catch this fly, length about 2mm. Hope an ID is possible, at least family would be great.

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Edited by Carnifex on 16-07-2019 22:56
Cheers, Lorin

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Tony Irwin
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Posted on 08-07-2019 20:58
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I think Phasia pusilla - hopefully an expert will confirm
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Posted on 09-07-2019 13:26
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Thanks Tony,
trying to take pictures that show ID features, so here are more pics to hopefully ID the species.

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I can see no additional parafrontal bristles and the haltere looks yellowish (but could be brown), so I am unsure where it keys out
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Tony Irwin
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Posted on 09-07-2019 14:53
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Yes, the haltere is a bit pale for pusilla, but the orbits don't look like barbifrons. And I don't know whether you have additional species in Austria. Hopefully Theo or someone who knows these flies well will give an opinion...
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Posted on 09-07-2019 21:29
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If you still have the specimen, can you please make a pic of the ovipositor lateral and if possible also "ventral" (= actually dorsal) ?
It looks like pusilla, but there is something fishy going on, possibly.


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Posted on 10-07-2019 12:01
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ok, here you go :-)

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Carnifex
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Posted on 12-07-2019 09:04
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are the new pics sufficient for an ID?
Cheers, Lorin

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Zeegers
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Posted on 16-07-2019 21:35
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Ah ! You improved the images of the ovipositor. Very nice !
And it confirms my suspicion on pusilla: definitely female mesnili.

Hairs on gena should all be light coloured.


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Posted on 16-07-2019 22:18
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Thank you so much, Theo! That should make it a new species for the country Smile
The Tschorsnig-key leaves me at the theodori-complex, and I don't get access to further literature. What is the distinguishing feature at the ovipositor? Will have a look at the head again

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Zeegers
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Posted on 17-07-2019 22:15
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Joachim Ziegler wrote a perfect review in Studia Dipterologica, in the 1990’ies.


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Posted on 18-07-2019 00:01
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Zeegers wrote:
Joachim Ziegler wrote a perfect review in Studia Dipterologica, in the 1990’ies.

Exactly:
Ziegler, J. (1994) The species of the Genus Phasia, subgenus Hyalomya R-.D. in central Europe (Diptera, Tachinidae). Studia Dipterologica, 1, 157-180

But as I mentioned above:
Carnifex wrote: I don't get access

So I would be glad to either have a read in that paper or get the ID features regarding P. mesnili Smile
Cheers, Lorin

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Paul Beuk
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Posted on 18-07-2019 08:04
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I sent you a link...
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Posted on 18-07-2019 11:05
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Thx Paul, got it! TumbsUp
Cheers, Lorin

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Rui Andrade
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Posted on 22-07-2019 08:55
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Hi Paul, could you also send me the paper? Sorry for keep asking for papers!! awkward
 
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