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Helina impuncta female ?
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Posted on 06-11-2018 20:47

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Dear fly specialist,

Long time since my last visit. Normally don't shoot flies anymore because the ID just takes me too much time. Made a "mistake" last Saturday and thought "what the heck, let's give it try again"... silly me .. Shock

Okay, I've landed at Helina impuncta female but obviously the photo is not showing all the details used in the keys (too bad to really tell) ... so, any specialist who dears to ID this "on jizz" or some other gut feeling?

Observation data here on

Inconclusive previous discussion here on the wrn-forum.

Only the one more or less "usable" image

Thanks in advance!
Arp attached the following image:

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Posted on 08-11-2018 17:10

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No opinions so far ...

Should I forget about the species name and leave it at Helina sp. ?

Or is Helina cf. impuncta a fair shot?

What are the other options in the Netherlands ?

Thanks in advance fir any pointers!
Cheers, Arp
Juergen Peters
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Posted on 09-11-2018 19:36
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Hello Arp,

Arp wrote:
What are the other options in the Netherlands ?

since no one of the experts replies... I would say, this is Helina impuncta or depuncta. I don't know, whether there are more, rarer similar species.
Best regards,

Juergen Peters
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Posted on 09-11-2018 21:48

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Hi Jürgen,

thank you for your answer! I had ruled out depuncta due to this specimen having 4 dorso centrals.

From what I had found, impuncta can have 4 or sometimes 3 (giving cause for confusion), but depuncta never 4. But my info may be wrong (?!?) I don't own much literature about flies.

My uncertainty would be about maybe other species with pale legs such as maybe sexmaculata, but probably also others without images in the gallery here ? Frown
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13.11.18 12:49
Hello Can any1 give me a contact email for Entomologie heute Thx

11.11.18 18:28
I don't have it, sorry

11.11.18 12:51
@Rafael_Carbonell What I would like is a pdf copy of Key to the Families of Diptera.

10.11.18 19:29
@Gordon, what exactly do you need? All the Oosterbroek literature is here:

09.11.18 15:56
Does anybody have a PDF of Oosterbroek they could email me? I had one but it didn't make it to Cambodia.

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@PaulBeuk Thanks ever so much Paul! I really appreciate it!

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