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 Family and genus? => Schumannimyia hyalinata (Lauxaniidae)
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| RamiP |
Posted on 24-05-2018 17:29
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24.5.18 in Jyväskylä, Finland
Edited by RamiP on 28-05-2018 10:13 |
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| RamiP |
Posted on 24-05-2018 17:31
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| John Carr |
Posted on 25-05-2018 01:13
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Makes me think of a dark Calliopum, but I'm not sure. |
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| RamiP |
Posted on 25-05-2018 14:23
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Thanks John Rami |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 25-05-2018 15:32
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The title here should be Calliopum sp? we cannot yet suggest a species in the title. John is superb at placing a fly into a family or genus and he questions this one with good reason: it is dark and doesn't fit Calliopum. I have both male and female C. simillimum and it doesn't match. I am not even sure if it is Calliopum. I think that it resembles Calliopum but the arista should be yellowish and the antennal segments should be reddish or orange. Plus, i usually find Calliopum with yellow tint on the wings. IF this is a Calliopum species, then Shatalkin's keys indicate Calliopum splendidum: yellow hind and mid tibia, 4 rows of ac. I think that we should be certain that this is a Calliopum species before trying to place a species level id. The photos are not very good and we have no genitalia. Paul is excellent with Lauxaniidae, so we should wait to see if Paul has an opinion. Edited by johnes81 on 25-05-2018 15:33 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| RamiP |
Posted on 25-05-2018 17:36
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If it is Calliopum sp., then it should be either aenum or simillimum, because we don't have any others here in Finland. Rami |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 25-05-2018 19:17
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
RamiP wrote: If it is Calliopum sp., then it should be either aenum or simillimum, because we don't have any others here in Finland. Rami and what about your other post? https://diptera.i...d_id=82490 I am not sure if you're a dipterist or a photographer because you imply that a first record is impossible. I find that interesting. I am trying to be helpful. I will just avoid commenting at any of your future posts. Meantime, i still suggest that you wait for a confirmation about Calliopum. The fly is very dark and it doesn't really fit the description of any of the European Calliopum. I know that Paul is excellent with Lauxaniidae and if he has seen a dark form of Calliopum before, then he will post. I also think that he may be able to sugggest a proper species. wait for Paul and I hope that you have a pleasant day 
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| RamiP |
Posted on 25-05-2018 19:48
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OK. Let's wait for Paul. Before it I change the tittle: cf. Calliopum sp. Rami amateur-photografer  |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 25-05-2018 20:01
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Calliopum elisae is a possibility.
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 28-05-2018 09:11
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In Calliopum you would end up at splendidum on account of the darkened hind tibiae and four rows of acrostichals. But is suspect this is Schumannimyia hyalinata.
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| RamiP |
Posted on 28-05-2018 10:11
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Member Location: Posts: 5612 Joined: 25.04.15 |
The old familiar. But it is Sapromyza hyalinata in my gallery. Thanks Paul for solving this awkward problem.  Rami |
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