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 This from a wetland reserve in Yorkshire, UK last week seems obvious, but I am failing even to get it to family, so any pointers gratefully received. 3mm wing length, with a costal break at sc and a possible break at humeral as well (though not so obvious). Antennae are pubescent/short plumose.
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 Muscidae? Schoenomyza litorella?
https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2352
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johnes81 wrote:
Muscidae? Schoenomyza litorella?
https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2352


Thanks, John and Nini...that certainly looks good. I had run it through the muscid key, but didn't get to Schoenomyza....I'll give it another go.

Thanks again

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 Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.
 
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 The un-muscid like appearance regularly leads to Schoenomyza being submitted to me as an ephydrid, particularly the male with its bright golden face.
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John Carr wrote:
Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.


Thanks, John...very useful.

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Tony Irwin wrote:
The un-muscid like appearance regularly leads to Schoenomyza being submitted to me as an ephydrid, particularly the male with its bright golden face.


Glad to say I had not gone down the Ephydrid route, but it had got me scratching my head. A useful one to get sorted.

Thanks, Tony

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 I remember what Schoenomyza litorella looks like from last year. I found one at a local park. Tony identified it for me. I think that it is unforgettable. I remember that it is a lovely fly. The female that i had encountered was walking all around a leaf looking at me. I never memorize details from a photo, i need a specimen. I learn from examining a specimen. However, this one is easy to remember.

I just want to point out that Tony also helped me identify it. I use question marks because i don't have a specimen to compare.
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John Carr wrote:
Schoenomyza is distinguished from most or all other Holarctic Muscidae by the combination of 1+3 dorsocentrals and frons clearly broader than long.


excellent post, John. very good info.
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