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 Calliphoridae: Protocalliphora azurea? male --> quite likely yes
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| kuv |
Posted on 14-03-2018 11:33
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3620 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Northern Germany, Niedersachsen, Langendorf near Dannenberg (Oberelbe), window of a house (in the sun), 30th of April 2017, (Photos: kuv - only from this angle). Is my idea Protophormia terraenovae - after searching in the Diptera Gallery - ok? Please help to get the ID. kuv kuv attached the following image:  [154.57Kb] Edited by kuv on 21-03-2018 11:47 |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 15-03-2018 02:21
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 Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
I think more along the lines of Protocalliphora and specifically Protocalliphora azurea. Do you have any other photos?
Edited by johnes81 on 15-03-2018 02:22 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| kuv |
Posted on 15-03-2018 10:09
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3620 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Hi Nini and John, thank you for your answer I'm very sorry, but I have no other picture; so I add only an enlargement. But I fear that will not help for ID ... Greetings Kuv kuv attached the following image:  [98.06Kb] |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 15-03-2018 13:33
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello kuv, I love Calliphoridae but I have not met all of the Calliphoridae of Germany. I have no specimens from this genus of Protocalliphora. Using keys can be difficult. I arrive at Protocalliphora because of the obvious stripes on the mesonotum. I think that these are absent in Protophormia. The frons is narrow. The calypters are infuscated. I cannot see other details in this photo but I have to think that this is Protocalliphora azurea. Of the known Protocalliphora in Germany, Protocalliphora azurea is the only one with infuscated calypters. Males are known to be dark blue, especially so early in the year. So unless someone has a reason to disagree, then I think that this is a male Protocalliphora azurea. I wish that I had them in my collection. I only have scientific experience with Calliphora, Lucilia, Melinda, Onesia and Pollenia. I use the work of Dr. Rognes to deduce the possibilities of the fly in your photo. I could be wrong but I really think that it fits Protocalliphora azurea. Enjoy the day 
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| kuv |
Posted on 15-03-2018 14:20
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3620 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Wooow, Nini and John, thank you very much for your detailed answer At least I also see black stripes on the mesonotum. - I'll change headline with the "new" name (and a small questionmark to get more confirmation)- ok?. Greeting Kuv |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 15-03-2018 18:30
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello kuv, please never think that i will be offended if you ask for other opinions. I make it very clear that I am not an expert or a Doctor of biology in any field. However, bear in mind that even experts misidentify animals at times. noone is perfect and this process is extremely difficult. We need teamwork and diptera.info is really a team. I encourage other reviews. I am not experienced with Protocalliphora or Protophormia, thus I make it clear that I could be wrong. I've actually corrected a few experts before. Noone is perfect and a misidentification cannot be used against an individual. Identification is extremely difficult at times even with genitalia. since I am not certain of this id, I leave it open for more experienced members. I am never offended about a second opinion. Have a great day and I hope that you can get a confirmation or a determination other than what is proposed. Team work
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| kuv |
Posted on 21-03-2018 11:45
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3620 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Hi Nini and John, thank you very much once more. It's nice to hear that teamwork is a theme (by the way we called our ship once teamwork!). As nobody had said to or against the ID I'll change headline to "quite likely Protocalliphora azurea". Best regards Kuv |
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but don't see the image in the post.