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Diptera (adult) Muscidae?
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Posted on 05-12-2017 08:54

Location: FR-Germany, Kassel
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I think it is no Tachinidae, but I am not sure if it is Muscidae? To me it looks like Phaonia subventa

Location: Central Germany, 180m asl., 4th May

Thank you for your time!

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Edited by gbohne on 05-12-2017 09:22
Guido Bohne
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I cannot see a Phaonia bristle but it looks like a Phaonia. tibiae look dark to me which excludes subventa. I have examined subventa female and the tibiae are orange on this species but I don't see a dark line on the abdomen.

wait for Stephane to reply...
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Hennig mentions a possible dark line. My female specimen has no dark line but apparently it is possible. I suppose that the tibiae could be darker so maybe it is subventa (variegata.) bitincta is similar. I still say wait for Stephane.
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Posted on 05-12-2017 11:11

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I'll wait & thank you very much for your interest & help! :-)
Guido Bohne
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The tibiae are probably lighter than they appear. I'd say P. subventa.
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Posted on 07-12-2017 07:59

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Stephane, thank you very much for confirmation!
Guido Bohne
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20.11.17 15:09
Pls sign to help save Botanophila fonsecai https://home.38deg
seca. Thx

17.11.17 14:22
Thanks Paul, interesting point

16.11.17 13:44
'Holding' might not be the perfect description. Apparently the armature makes contact with sensitive places on the female, coaxing her to agree to mate.

16.11.17 13:43
Is was not quite sure whether the word would apply correctly, but, yes, that is okay.

15.11.17 11:29
How about armature, would that fit? based on http://onlinelibra
it would seem that these spines etc are used to hold the female!

14.11.17 09:22
All spines, ridges, lobes, etc. on the femur.

14.11.17 08:36
I think bewaffnung is like weapons (on femur 1).

13.11.17 13:10
Hello can any1 tell me how to translate bewaffnung des femur 1? Thx

26.10.17 13:37
Yes it looks like a typo error e instead of a Thanks you

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