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 Tephritidae: Noeeta pupillata (three specimen)? --> Genus Noeeta
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| kuv |
Posted on 25-08-2017 14:17
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Northern Germany, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Zingst, coastal area, at the edge of a small forest between the beach and dyke, at leaves of oaks; Outsidephotos: kuv, 23th/24th of August 2017. Is my idea ok? Please help to get the ID. kuv kuv attached the following image:  [244.72Kb] Edited by kuv on 08-09-2017 11:11 |
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| kuv |
Posted on 25-08-2017 14:18
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Second speciman:
kuv attached the following image:  [112.06Kb] |
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| kuv |
Posted on 25-08-2017 14:19
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Third speciman:
kuv attached the following image:  [161.46Kb] |
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| kuv |
Posted on 25-08-2017 14:20
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Second picture of the third speciman:
kuv attached the following image:  [138.89Kb] |
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| kuv |
Posted on 03-09-2017 17:41
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
@ Valery, no chance? Regards Kuv |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 03-09-2017 19:21
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Two first are Noeeta biseta Merz, 1992, two last -- possibly Noeeta pupillata Fallen, 1814. Third is unclear. Species can occur sympatrically.
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| kuv |
Posted on 04-09-2017 13:30
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Thank you very much Valery -  I hope I checked it right: • N. bisetosa, Merz, 1992, for the fly in the first picture (it's only one fly in four different positions) • possibly N. pupillata, Fallen, 1814, for the fly in my last two pictures (third specimen) • and my second specimen is unclear. Best regards Kuv Edited by kuv on 04-09-2017 13:31 |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 04-09-2017 15:33
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Member Location: Posts: 3404 Joined: 28.12.07 |
exactly. The difference (along with different Hieracium species as host plants) is the presence of the pre-sutural dorsocentral seta (in front of the transverse suture) in biseta. Val |
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| kuv |
Posted on 04-09-2017 16:20
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Thank you Valery: You say N. biseta - I only read N. bisetosa. Is biseta the new name? Kuv |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 05-09-2017 06:50
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 392 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Dear Valery, I’m very sorry to disagree you. First I wondered that I’m living 120 km from Zingst and have never found N. bisetosa while only N. pupillata is quite frequent here in dunes at Baltic coast. There is no record of this species from whole Germany, Denmark (50 km from Zingst) or Scandinavia as far as I know. For this reasons I compared kuv pictures with my material of N. bisetosa. I’m unable to identify or interpret a pre-sutural dorsocentral seta, a black base of frontal supraalar seta, or a single black hair on frons on any picture. In addition all specimens showing a darkened area in R2+3. These characters and the distribution making it more reliable that all pictures showing only one species: N. pupillata. Regards Piet |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 05-09-2017 19:06
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Member Location: Posts: 3404 Joined: 28.12.07 |
Neither agree or disagree. The ID based on the field pictures must be veryfied by a captured material, or better REARED. N. bisetosa (sic! I have made a typo) is rather common everywhere along with Hieracium piloselloides and possibly H. pilosella, so both the better resolution pictures, which clearly show the presutural dorsocentral seta or / and the host plant picture are needed. Val |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 07-09-2017 09:12
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 392 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Unfortunately Hieracium piloselloides is extinct in Schleswig-Holstein, extremly rare in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and so far never recorded from Zingst. There is only one single record of this plant from German Baltic coast (in 1985 http://www.floraweb.de/webkarten/karte.html?taxnr=2924). Another reason that my vote is going for N. pupillata only. Very best regrads Piet Edited by Fred Fly on 07-09-2017 09:13 |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 07-09-2017 09:27
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Member Location: Posts: 3404 Joined: 28.12.07 |
we still know its biology and the host plant range very poorly, as well as the whole "host race" population structure in Europe. A hypervariable genus with numerous host plants will bring us many surprises after more or less detailed molecular studies. In this particular case ID is still pending. Val |
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| kuv |
Posted on 08-09-2017 11:10
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3611 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Thank you both, Valery and Piet, for your engagement to identify "my" flies. So it's remains to Genus Noeeta. Greetings Kuv |
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but don't see the image in the post.