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 Mythicomyiidae: Platypygus ridibundus
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| javig |
Posted on 23-06-2007 21:03
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 Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Taken in Parque Natural de Sierra de Huetor, Granada, Southern Spain. 1500 m, June 2007. About 3-4 mm length  EDITED: Another view:  Any idea about genus? The last photo:  thx Edited by javig on 26-06-2007 21:47 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 23-06-2007 21:06
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
wow!! This is the FLY.  It seems a very strange Stratiomyidae! Acroceridae have no closed wings like this... |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 23-06-2007 22:14
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
No, not Stratiomyidae, but another family. It is called Mythicomyiidae, and it used to be in the Bombyliidae as subfamily Mythicomyiinae! Maybe David can tell us more about it? Greetings, Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 23-06-2007 22:27
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
new family for diptera! Van Veen could help as well. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-06-2007 14:10
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
and I'm curious about this one... who can put a genus in this fly? |
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| javig |
Posted on 24-06-2007 15:37
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Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Added another shot from different angle... thx |
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 24-06-2007 16:37
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 Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
Certainly Mythicomyiidae. Unfortunately i cannot see wing venation clearly so deducing genus is not easy (it is a species i have never seen). My best guess (and it is a guess untill i see a specimen) is Glabellula, the only species recorded in Spain is sufflava but there are likely to be undescribed species in this underworked family of tiny flies (my favourites so very please to see these images). |
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| javig |
Posted on 24-06-2007 16:57
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Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Thanks David! (and Gerard  ) I post another photo (I don't have more  ) I think the wing venation is a bit more clear here... |
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 25-06-2007 09:38
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Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
Your third photo shows the wing venation much better and i can now see that it cannot be Glabellula. Jorge, although the wing venation fits Cyrtisiopsis , this genus has a more prominent backward extention of the rear of the buccal cavity, also, as far as i know, they tend to have long a proboscis (see Oosterbroek 2006 fig 142). Javig's fly is a Platypygus. There is only one species listed for Spain vis ridibundus. I have a female specimen myself (i was away from my collection yesterday so unable to do a direct comparison), also from Sierra Nevada area, which looks much the same except it has blackish mesonotal stripes, a longer proboscis and pale frons spots joined to yellow on face. My specimen was named ridibundus by David Greathead but it does not fit the description well. This genus is sorely in need of revision and there are certainly unrecognised species in Spain, so it is unwise to name to species untill this is done. |
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 26-06-2007 12:05
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Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
I pass on the following from Neal Evenhuis "It is the common and widespread Platypygus ridibundus. The thoracic pattern is variable and can be darker in some specimens." |
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| javig |
Posted on 26-06-2007 21:46
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Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Thank you very much, David! |
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but don't see the image in the post.