Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Hippoboscidae (NL)
Posted by blaauw7 on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Found in my home. River Rhine area Netherlands. Hippoboscidae....
Gr Dick
Posted by blaauw7 on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Posted by blaauw7 on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Posted by Paul Beuk on 02-09-2014 10:00
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Most likely
Ornothomyia chloropus. ID based on the pattern of microtrichia on the wing. However,
O. fringillina can have the same pattern. To be certain, check whether there is a dark marking on the ventral part of the gena. If so, then
chloropus is confirmed, otherwise it is
fringillina.
Posted by blaauw7 on 02-09-2014 12:44
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Thanks Paul. I will look for a dark marking on the ventral part of the gena.
Gr Dick
Posted by blaauw7 on 03-09-2014 07:24
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dark marking on the ventral part of the gena?
Posted by Zeegers on 03-09-2014 18:23
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I think we still need to exclude (or not) biloba.
So, Dick, could we get a dorsal shot of the head as well ?
Thanks
Theo
Posted by blaauw7 on 03-09-2014 20:45
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A dorsal shot
Gr Dick
Posted by Zeegers on 04-09-2014 07:12
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Thanx .
Need to work on that.
Theo
Posted by Zeegers on 05-09-2014 08:09
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OK, so no biloba.
Acoording to the wing mictrotrichia, it is chloropus (as Paul pointed out).
According to the head underside, it is fringillina.
I must say, I have doubted the species status of chloropus for a long time, this is yet another example.
Theo
Posted by Paul Beuk on 05-09-2014 10:14
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According to the latest publication this should then be
fringillina, but form you own opinion after reading this:
http://www.sencke...19-125.pdf.
Posted by blaauw7 on 07-09-2014 17:21
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Thanks Paul and Theo ! Kept the fly for validation. Thanks for the paper Paul.
Gr Dick
Posted by Zeegers on 07-09-2014 17:26
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Yes, thanks for the paper.
I feel the urge to state that I totally disagree, though.
Statistically you cannot (never !) estimate the variability based on two records only.
If I understand them correctly, that is what they claim to have done.
Simply no-go.
theo