Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Rhagio strigosus vs. latipennis (20.07.14)
Posted by Juergen Peters on 22-07-2014 20:53
#1
Hello,
since I was told that I had found
Rhagio latipennis recently, I am unsure when I find
R. strigosus now. The night before last night several
Rhagio males visited the light in our garden (northwest Germany). Most of them looked like normal (size ca. 10 mm)
R. strigosus, but one individual was very small, not bigger than a
Chrysopilus, only about 5-6 mm.
More pictures here:
http://insektenfo...adID=69959
Posted by Juergen Peters on 22-07-2014 20:54
#2
Pic #2 of "normal" sized one.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 22-07-2014 20:54
#3
Very small individual with Chironomid.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 22-07-2014 20:55
#4
Pic #2 of small individual.
Posted by Zeegers on 22-07-2014 21:25
#5
Excellent male strigosus, as far as I am concerned: long wings, eyes touching and short third antennal segment. If Libor agrees, please submit for the gallery !
Theo
Posted by Juergen Peters on 22-07-2014 22:00
#6
Zeegers wrote:
Excellent male strigosus, as far as I am concerned: long wings, eyes touching and short third antennal segment. If Libor agrees, please submit for the gallery !
Thank you, Theo!
Posted by libor on 23-07-2014 08:00
#7
I am sorry, but I disagree. According my knowledge and opinion, both are Rhagio scolopaceus males. R. strigosus has pleura largerly yellowish and postscutellum yellow with grey spot. Juergen's animal has pleura and postcutellum grey. Moreover, croos-wein with red circle is without any infuscation in strigosus. And I see small infuscation on Juergen's picture.
Juergen, please, try to collect time to time some Rhagionids. It is always better to study them under microscope.
Libor
Posted by Zeegers on 23-07-2014 16:42
#8
OK, so let's not submit it (yet).
To me, the following arguments favour strigosus
* the date (end of July, fresh speicmen !)
* the antennal shape, as seen in the second picture (magnify the left antenna)
* the isolated dark stigma. The infuscation mentioned by Libor is very minute.
Theo
Posted by Juergen Peters on 23-07-2014 17:14
#9
Hello Libor and Theo,
thanks to you both! So it is not that easy as I thought...
I am no expert, but I experience here
Rhagio for many years. I know, size is not an argument and time of year may not be one, too. But I see the much bigger
R. scolopaceus males always here in May or beginning of June at other places, mostly fence stakes at meadows near hedges.
These smaller
Rhagio I see only in mid summer at shadowy places in the forest or at tree trunks in our garden. And they are
all much smaller than those flies in
spring. So most likely not the result of low diet of a few larvae. Generally, for my layman's eyes they are not the same animals...
Sorry that I do not collect animals, I am a photographer only.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 25-07-2014 16:43
#10
Hello,
do I see it right, that there is still no picture of
Rhagio strigosus in the gallery? That (or what I believe it is) is one of the most abundant
Rhagio species here. I have made hundreds of images over the years, by far too many to post even the best of them here. Therefore I have packed some of them in a ZIP-archive and uploaded it to my server. If someone here is interested in examining it and perhaps could tell me, which flies are probably misidentified and which could possibly be put into the gallery of this forum, here is the URL:
http://insektenfo...Rhagio.zip
But beware: it is 40 MB! And after some time I will delete it from the server. Thank you!
Posted by libor on 25-07-2014 19:34
#11
Juergen, I understand you are a photographer only. But, as you see, time to time you cannot get names for your animal without study under microscope. The believe your animal is probably strigosus, I believe it is probably scolopaceus. You can choose... Or collect few specimens for the verification.
Libor
Posted by Juergen Peters on 25-07-2014 20:04
#12
Hello Libor,
I know that determination from a photo will always be restrained. I am interested not only in Diptera, but in
all insects and spiders, and it is impossible to start a collection for the whole class Arthropoda. So I have once decided to not kill animals for identification purposes and be happy with identifying
as close as possible after images only.