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Hippoboscidae (NL)
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Found in my home. River Rhine area Netherlands. Hippoboscidae.... Gr Dick blaauw7 attached the following image: [137.28Kb] |
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 01-09-2014 10:18
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
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Paul Beuk |
Posted on 02-09-2014 10:00
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19217 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Most likely Ornothomyia chloropus. ID based on the pattern of microtrichia on the wing. However, O. fringillina can have the same pattern. To be certain, check whether there is a dark marking on the ventral part of the gena. If so, then chloropus is confirmed, otherwise it is fringillina.
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 02-09-2014 12:44
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Thanks Paul. I will look for a dark marking on the ventral part of the gena. Gr Dick |
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 03-09-2014 07:24
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
dark marking on the ventral part of the gena?
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Zeegers |
Posted on 03-09-2014 18:23
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I think we still need to exclude (or not) biloba. So, Dick, could we get a dorsal shot of the head as well ? Thanks Theo |
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:45
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
A dorsal shot Gr Dick blaauw7 attached the following image: [196.88Kb] |
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Zeegers |
Posted on 04-09-2014 07:12
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Thanx . Need to work on that. Theo |
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Zeegers |
Posted on 05-09-2014 08:09
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
OK, so no biloba. Acoording to the wing mictrotrichia, it is chloropus (as Paul pointed out). According to the head underside, it is fringillina. I must say, I have doubted the species status of chloropus for a long time, this is yet another example. Theo |
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Paul Beuk |
Posted on 05-09-2014 10:14
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19217 Joined: 11.05.04 |
According to the latest publication this should then be fringillina, but form you own opinion after reading this: http://www.sencke...19-125.pdf.
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blaauw7 |
Posted on 07-09-2014 17:21
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2496 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Thanks Paul and Theo ! Kept the fly for validation. Thanks for the paper Paul. Gr Dick |
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Zeegers |
Posted on 07-09-2014 17:26
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, thanks for the paper. I feel the urge to state that I totally disagree, though. Statistically you cannot (never !) estimate the variability based on two records only. If I understand them correctly, that is what they claim to have done. Simply no-go. theo |
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