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 Phania thoracica ?
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| JariF |
Posted on 21-06-2012 19:19
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1790 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, several of these were collected yesterday from flowers. Cinochira atra I believe .. ? June 20. 2012 Loviisa, Finland. Jari JariF attached the following image:  [111.47Kb] Edited by JariF on 21-06-2012 20:56 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 21-06-2012 19:41
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 6967 Joined: 12.07.04 |
No, this is atra:  Is yours perhaps a Phania? How large is it? Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London, Coordinator for the UK Tachinid Recording Scheme, my Diptera blog |
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| JariF |
Posted on 21-06-2012 19:51
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1790 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Oops, ok. I have no books or anything to compare with me. The fly is very small, maybe 5mm long. Just a bit larger than Catharosia pygmaea |
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| JariF |
Posted on 21-06-2012 20:10
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1790 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Phania ... yes, if I compare the pictures Phania thoracica would be a very goog choice  |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 21-06-2012 21:54
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 6967 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Just check the dorsal bristles on the hind tibia ... P.thoracica (lots of apical spurs) is very very rare but P.funesta (2-3 apical bristles) is very common
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London, Coordinator for the UK Tachinid Recording Scheme, my Diptera blog |
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| JariF |
Posted on 22-06-2012 12:46
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1790 Joined: 20.01.06 |
There are seven bristles (if I can count) |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-06-2012 18:40
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 6967 Joined: 12.07.04 |
I think only the ones at the distal end count but I have never seen thoracica to check
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London, Coordinator for the UK Tachinid Recording Scheme, my Diptera blog |
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| Jaakko |
Posted on 22-06-2012 22:35
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 Member Location: Joensuu, Finland Posts: 468 Joined: 04.08.08 |
Vibrissae are short, so not funesta... P. curvicauda is relatively common in Finland, but it should have darker calypters. I see only two apical bristles on the hind tibiae? Anyways, not bristly enough for thoracica? Would need to take it through the key to be sure. Sorry. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-06-2012 23:10
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 6967 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Definitely one for careful keying
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London, Coordinator for the UK Tachinid Recording Scheme, my Diptera blog |
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...what you prefer, we can discus this, during some good wine, cheese and many new pinned flies!