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 Odinia sp.
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| Manuel Lopez |
Posted on 17-06-2012 20:43
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 Member Location: Granada Posts: 1643 Joined: 03.09.11 |
3 mm. Taken today in Motril (Granada). Similar to this Odinia ornata of Dmitry Gavryushin: http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2174 Thanks Manuel Lopez attached the following image:  [145.73Kb] Edited by Manuel Lopez on 18-06-2012 21:31 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 17-06-2012 20:56
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 5384 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Odinia sp. (Odiniidae).
Stephane. |
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| Manuel Lopez |
Posted on 17-06-2012 20:57
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Member Location: Granada Posts: 1643 Joined: 03.09.11 |
Thanks Stephane 
Manuel |
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| Manuel Lopez |
Posted on 17-06-2012 21:04
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Member Location: Granada Posts: 1643 Joined: 03.09.11 |
another view
Manuel Lopez attached the following image:  [183.34Kb] |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 18-06-2012 11:04
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 Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 432 Joined: 01.02.10 |
The basal anteannal joint on your fly are yellow - so not ornata so possbly something close to xanthocera ? One normally needs to inspect genitalia on Odinia, so ID from a photo alone is difficult Mark Edited by Mark-uk on 18-06-2012 11:20 |
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| Manuel Lopez |
Posted on 18-06-2012 15:22
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Member Location: Granada Posts: 1643 Joined: 03.09.11 |
Thanks Mark
Manuel |
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| Dieter S |
Posted on 18-06-2012 17:55
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 Member Location: Belgium Posts: 35 Joined: 24.04.11 |
I'm not a specialist but I don't think this is odinia. I remember that I found a similar one last year. http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=37964 Also here, there is no presutural dorsocentral which makes this Neoalticomerus. Then you have to look to genitalia and hope Phil has a look at it.  |
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| Manuel Lopez |
Posted on 18-06-2012 19:04
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Member Location: Granada Posts: 1643 Joined: 03.09.11 |
Well, let's see ... thanks
Manuel |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 18-06-2012 20:05
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 432 Joined: 01.02.10 |
Dieter Again on your Neoalticomerus the basal antenatal joints are black. not yellow as pictured in Manuel 's photo. Best wait for Phil |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 18-06-2012 20:10
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 5384 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Here is the key to separate the two genera (Bei Bienko) : 1 (2). Mpl. bare, without br. or hairs. Msn. with five pairs of dc. pvt long and well developed. t without subapical br. ................................................... . . l . Odinia R.-D 2 (1). Mpl. with setae, along post. margin with two well developed br. Msn. with four pairs of dc. pvt short and weak. t with subapical br .............. 2. Neoalticomerus Hendel. As far as I can see, there are 5 dc, no setae on anepisternum, so this one is Odinia. Stephane. |
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| phil withers |
Posted on 18-06-2012 20:52
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Member Location: Lyon, France Posts: 521 Joined: 04.03.08 |
This is an Odinia - the light coloured antennae would lead immediately to xanthocera...if it were not for the fact that there are at least two taxa with this condition (one with fat hind femora, the other without)...for now (unless you caught this) it's a "near xanthocera". |
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| Dieter S |
Posted on 18-06-2012 21:09
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Member Location: Belgium Posts: 35 Joined: 24.04.11 |
Thanks Phil and Sthephane for the information. Again something learned. Next time I go in the books before I react.  |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 18-06-2012 21:51
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 432 Joined: 01.02.10 |
my first guess was "something close to xanthocera" I usually struggle with Odinia ! |
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| phil withers |
Posted on 18-06-2012 22:45
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Member Location: Lyon, France Posts: 521 Joined: 04.03.08 |
All together now: "didn't he do well !" |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-06-2012 23:00
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The only 'all together now' I know is "all you need is love". But I guess everyone loves Odiniidae. 
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on www.diptera.info |
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| Jorge |
Posted on 28-06-2012 12:50
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 Member Location: Barcelona Posts: 97 Joined: 19.12.11 |
Interesting debate, pity that I was late, but here always be on time to the party. I came here reviewing a specimen in alcohol than I would have sworn it was O.ornata. Then I've seen this discussion and decided to stop the car. To my knowledge, we have only one genus reported from the Iberian Peninsula, Odinia, with 5 species and xanthocera is not among them. Phil, what is the other species with the the light coloured antennae? Jorge Mederos CCF www.caribbeancraneflies.com |
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